User:Obi the LEGO Fan/Chat/Logs/11 July 2015

 [12:03]  Consider that only 96% of the universe is not physical material [12:03]  "No science has ever proven it" is obviously the point in dispute among many Christian scientists. [12:03]  God is the author of the Bible, but about 40 people wrote it [12:03]  Whatever is said in the Bible is true [12:03]  Then those 40 people are the authors [12:03]  And consider that modern physics can only account for 24% of the matter and energy in the universe. The other 76% we call "dark matter" and "dark energy" beause we have no clue what to do about it [12:03]  No [12:03]  I'll get to authorship in a second :P \ [12:04]  The 40 people wrote whateer God told them to write [12:04]  Just because we don't know the correct answer to a question doesn't mean we can't recognize an incorrect one. [12:04]  o/ [12:04]  Now consider that the universe is a bound package that's expanding. WHich means that everything inside this package must be separate to what's outside of it [12:04]  o/ [12:04]  Obi's here. [12:04]  The debate just got good. :P [12:04] <Chrismajor2124> All four dimensions we are bound in are in the universe [12:04] <Chrismajor2124> Hey Obi [12:04] <RusMan> Well, God inspired those 40 people to write the Bible. [12:04] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Do you have any scientific proof, Rus? [12:04] <LEGOpufflecp> True [12:05] <Chrismajor2124> Logically, if God is outside the universe, He is outside of length, width, height, and time. Thus, he can make a claim like in Isaiah 46 and it holds because he is outisde of time [12:05] <RusMan> Not everything needs scientific proof. [12:05] <LEGOpufflecp> God is just invisible and because Adam and Eve sinned, we can no longer hear God's voice [12:05] <Obi the LEGO Fan> oh debates :P [12:05] <Chrismajor2124> There are some things science can't answer. If God created the universe and it's laws, He can surely break them :P [12:05] <Chrismajor2124> Yep, Obi :P [12:06] <Vonness11`> is this another religious debate? [12:06] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> You [12:06] <Chrismajor2124> Thus every instance of a miracle in the OT and NT :P [12:06] <Chrismajor2124> Yep, Ness :P [12:06] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> *You're making all these claims and cannot back them up with credible evidence. Hint: It can't be from the Bible. [12:06] <Chrismajor2124> Let's go to history [12:06] <TolkienNerds> there's a lot of them today, Von :P [12:07] <Michaelyoda> ^ [12:07] <Chrismajor2124> The Bible is what we're trying to prove, right? As either flawed or flawless? [12:07] <RusMan> Basically obi and von, this started because I said I was watching God's Not Dead. :P [12:07] <Chrismajor2124> There's an easy way to do this and a hard way. And that sounded stereotypical but hey, it's what it is :P [12:07] <Michaelyoda> I didn't like that movie very much. [12:07] <Obi the LEGO Fan> God's Not Dead was a terrible movie [12:07] <Michaelyoda> Doesn't really answer any major questions. :P [12:07] <Chrismajor2124> I still need to watch it. I'm probably gonna cringe at it :P [12:07] <LEGOpufflecp> Instead of asking, "How was God alive if he doesn't have a beginning?" Or "But it doesn't say that rats were made in the Bible but they're here. So aliens are real." How about believe in Him instead? [12:07] <Michaelyoda> o/ [12:08] <Person of Info> I smell pink wizardry. [12:08] <Obi the LEGO Fan> bad acting, bad script, bad plot, stereotypes, not compelling [12:08] <LEGOpufflecp> False [12:08] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Thank you Obi [12:08] <RusMan> Well Im watching it because my family is. :p [12:08] <Chrismajor2124> Maybe I should have another movie to watch afterwards just in case :P [12:08] <Person of Info> You guys talking about God's Not Dead? [12:08] <Obi the LEGO Fan> ik I did that too, Rus :P [12:08] <Michaelyoda> We were at one point. :P [12:08] <Chrismajor2124> Maybe something like Interstellar :P [12:08] <Person of Info> I'm torn on whether I'll watch it or not. :P [12:08] <LEGOpufflecp> I want to see God's not Dead [12:08] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Why should I be a sheep following the masses and not form my own opinions, Puffle? [12:09] <Michaelyoda> I wouldn't bother, Info. [12:09] <Michaelyoda> Only answers the really dumb questions. :P [12:09] <Chrismajor2124> London's got a point. One verse I like is 1 Thessalonians 5:21 which says "Prove all things, hold fast to what is true" [12:09] <Person of Info> Well, OK then. :P [12:09] <Mishkaiel> God does say that Jesus is the Good Shepherd and that those who follow him are the sheep of His pasture. :P [12:09] <Obi the LEGO Fan> those that truly follow Jesus are not the masses :P [12:09] <Michaelyoda> *minority [12:10] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Subliminal messaging, Mish: The first Christians were atheists [12:10] <Chrismajor2124> Don't ever beleive stuff about " leap of faith" because we don't need to do that. The Bible is evidence, backed by history, sciences, personal witness, etc. Believe the Bible and find proof and that's where we can get answers [12:10] <Chrismajor2124> Actually, no London. [12:10] <Chrismajor2124> The first Christians proclaimed Jesus as God [12:10] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Good point, Obi. Most Christian's I've met have never read half the Bible. :P [12:10] <Obi the LEGO Fan> MY, I did not mean to say minority :P [12:10] <Michaelyoda> I know. [12:10] <Michaelyoda> I punctuated incorrectly. :P [12:10] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> I was joking [12:10] <Person of Info> Hmm. [12:10] <Chrismajor2124> Too many Christians don't read the Bible, true but unfortunate [12:11] <Obi the LEGO Fan> one of my favorite things about the Bible is how it is self-critiquing [12:11] <Chrismajor2124> Oh this is a fun one :P [12:11] <RusMan> lol someone had a Blackberry in the movie. :P [12:11] <Chrismajor2124> I'm not sure I want to watch now :P [12:11] <Michaelyoda> Guess they couldn't afford an iPhone. [12:11] <TolkienNerds> lol ikr Rus :P technology fail XD [12:12] <Person of Info> What, seriously? :P [12:12] <Chrismajor2124> Hey, it could be Android :P [12:12] <Person of Info> Oh, Obi, I almost forgot. [12:12] <Obi the LEGO Fan> this debate seemed to have died down [12:12] <Chrismajor2124> We're waiting :P [12:12] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> For whom? :P [12:13] <Michaelyoda> For what? You've never answered his questions. :P [12:13] <RusMan> Hmm what is the next part of the debate going to be? :p [12:13] <Chrismajor2124> For Obi's question :P [12:13] <Obi the LEGO Fan> huh? :P [12:13] <Chrismajor2124> And if I didn't answer a question, then let's quickly discuss it :P [12:13] <Obi the LEGO Fan> I'm supposed to ask a question? :P [12:14] <Person of Info> What kind of question? :P [12:14] <Chrismajor2124> You said the Bible was self-critiquing, Obi. What do you mean? Guess it's more my question than yours :P [12:14] <Michaelyoda> (fp) :P [12:14] <Obi the LEGO Fan> ah, well that's different :P [12:14] <Chrismajor2124> Yeah I'm facepalming over calling it a question :P [12:14] <Obi the LEGO Fan> did you mean explanation? :P [12:15] <Michaelyoda> Yes (yds) :P [12:15] <Chrismajor2124> Yes that's what I meant :P [12:15] <Obi the LEGO Fan> okay well [12:15] <Chrismajor2124> Good - we got the Cage meme :P [12:15] <Michaelyoda> I could almost hear Obi take a breath there. [12:15] <RusMan> :p [12:15] <Obi the LEGO Fan> I mean that the Bible presents several perspectives, and they are critiqued further on in the Bible [12:15] <Chrismajor2124> Overview or specifics? [12:15] <Obi the LEGO Fan> for example, the Israelites believed in animal sacrifices, but this was later critiqued by the prophets and said to not be God's will [12:16] <Michaelyoda> Chat isn't the place for specifics. :P [12:16] <Chrismajor2124> Ah, that's a good one :P { [12:16] <Chrismajor2124> So let's quickly jump to Leviticus [12:16] <Chrismajor2124> It's a long book so let's jump to a sacrifice [12:16] <Obi the LEGO Fan> and then Jesus comes along, and critiques the whole system of violence of the OT [12:16] <Chrismajor2124> Hang on - one at a time here :P [12:16] <Chrismajor2124> I'm typing :P [12:16] <Obi the LEGO Fan> and Paul continues this, often interpreting the OT via allegory instead of literally [12:17] <Chrismajor2124> One at a time bro :P [12:17] <Obi the LEGO Fan> e.g. Galatians...3 was it? [12:17] <Michaelyoda> You wanted an explanation, let him finish it. (yds) :P [12:17] <Person of Info> ^ [12:17] <Chrismajor2124> We got Cage in the house. Alrighty then :P [12:17] <Mishkaiel> may I quickly insert that Jesus "critiqued" the OT sacrifices because His action on the cross nullified the need for further sacrifice [12:17] <Mishkaiel> ok [12:17] <Mishkaiel> plz continue [12:17] <Obi the LEGO Fan> ultimately, the Bible does a very good job of showing why violence is futile [12:17] <TolkienNerds> I completely agree with Obi about all of these things :P [12:17] <TolkienNerds> except not quite everything [12:17] <TolkienNerds> but almost [12:17] <Obi the LEGO Fan> it's not that simple Mish [12:17] <RusMan> :p [12:18] <Chrismajor2124> It's that simple for sacrifice [12:18] <Obi the LEGO Fan> God said he desired mercy, not sacrifice, long before Jesus [12:18] <Mishkaiel> shhh obi listen to Chris [12:18] <Obi the LEGO Fan> well, before the cross I should say [12:18] <Chrismajor2124> More specifically, though, the sacrifices were needed. Sin is only covered in blood for it to go away [12:18] <Obi the LEGO Fan> well I reject that theory :P [12:18] <Chrismajor2124> Explain :P [12:18] <RusMan> The [^] is a lie! :o [12:19] <Chrismajor2124> Portal! I love it :P [12:19] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the penal substitution view of the atonement is a later invention by Anselm that was not found in the early church fathers [12:19] <RusMan> Yes portal. (Sie) [12:19] <Chrismajor2124> Actually the idea of substitution goes straight back to Paul's writings [12:19] <Obi the LEGO Fan> well, obviously you would argue that [12:19] <Obi the LEGO Fan> but that's not how Paul was interpreted until hundreds of years later :P [12:19] <Michaelyoda> And Obi says: [12:19] <Chrismajor2124> It is in the Bible :P [12:20] <Michaelyoda> So what did the early church fathers say, Obi? :P [12:20] <Obi the LEGO Fan> I'm not rejecting the substitution part fully, but specifically the penal aspect [12:20] <Chrismajor2124> Problem with the early church is that a lot of their writings took a Greek-ly philosophical approach, rarely connected to the Bible [12:20] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the early church fathers talked about the atonement more as the Christus victor model, which is still held to by the Eastern Orthodox church [12:21] <Obi the LEGO Fan> well [12:21] <Obi the LEGO Fan> actually [12:21] <Chrismajor2124> Let's go to Galatians quickl [12:21] <Obi the LEGO Fan> you are quite right, but that aspect is not what led to Christus victor [12:21] <Chrismajor2124> * quickly [12:21] <Obi the LEGO Fan> you can go back as far as guys like Clement, who literally knew John the Apostle [12:21] <Obi the LEGO Fan> he wasn't a philosopher or anything [12:22] <Obi the LEGO Fan> and to Ignatius, etc. [12:22] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the influence of Platonism lead to lots of problematic theology [12:22] <Chrismajor2124> Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed (treated as an unbeliever - we don't do curses)" [12:22] <Obi the LEGO Fan> as did the influence of Gnosticism [12:22] <Chrismajor2124> Thus, anyone who teaches a gospel other than "Jesus is the Messiah and His sacrifice cleanses our sin" has missed the point [12:22] <Obi the LEGO Fan> Gnosticism influenced Augustine a lot, and through him Aquinas, Anselm, Calvin, Luther, et al [12:23] <Chrismajor2124> So regardless of the church "father" if they clash with that verse, they're missing the point [12:23] <TolkienNerds> I usually enjoy these conversations but honestly I'm so stressed out and tired rn I can't participate with a clear functioning mind :P [12:23] <TolkienNerds> so I'll just keep watching (derp) [12:23] <Chrismajor2124> It's been a crazy week for me too :P [12:23] <Person of Info> Interesting. I'll save a log of this convo. [12:23] <Obi the LEGO Fan> you're not proving anything, Chris, that only applies if their interpretation of Paul was wrong [12:23] <TolkienNerds> we have 7 people coming to stay at our house the weekend and I'm going to die. [12:23] <Chrismajor2124> Uh oh [12:23] <Obi the LEGO Fan> and men who actually knew Paul are more likely to get him right than you are [12:23] <RusMan> I cant participate much either because Im not as knowledgable sadly :p [12:23] <Obi the LEGO Fan> or the Augustinians and Protestants who came later [12:23] <Chrismajor2124> Not so much :P [12:24] <Obi the LEGO Fan> I doubt you are fluent in Koine Greek [12:24] <Chrismajor2124> It's a super clear verse - "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed" [12:24] <Obi the LEGO Fan> and I doubt you have ever spoken to Paul [12:24] <Obi the LEGO Fan> yes, Crhis [12:24] <Obi the LEGO Fan> *Chris [12:24] <Chrismajor2124> If anyone preaches a different gospel, let him be accused [12:24] <Chrismajor2124> * accursed [12:24] <Chrismajor2124> I don't need to chat with him - he wrote a letter with everything we need [12:24] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the argument is about what the gospel is, not about whether preaching a false one is bad :P [12:25] <Chrismajor2124> What is the gospel then? We know that Paul talked about it from that verse. Let's go back a bit [12:25] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the Gospel as presented in Galatians is that Jesus saves us via the promise of Abraham [12:25] <Mishkaiel> Obi [12:25] <Mishkaiel> ask me about Greek next year [12:25] <Mishkaiel> then we can talk about Koine etc [12:26] <Chrismajor2124> Paul wrote the 13 biggest epistles in the Bible. His own word would not contradict otherwise the Bible is fallible and Christianity would have imploded back then under review [12:26] <Chrismajor2124> So what did Paul say the Gospel was? [12:26] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the question with Christus victor vs penal substitution is not a question of the Gospel in its most unalloyed form — that Jesus saves —but a question of the operation of the atonement, /how/ we are saved and from /what/ are we saved [12:26] <Chrismajor2124> What is your question? [12:26] <Obi the LEGO Fan> that's not a question [12:27] <Chrismajor2124> Sorry I misread that. [12:27] <Michaelyoda> My question is, is this really a necessary debate? :P [12:27] <Chrismajor2124> It's simply trying to examine a 6000+ year old book about humanity :P [12:27] <Chrismajor2124> Might be important :P [12:27] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the Bible is not 6000 years old :P [12:28] <Mishkaiel> I wish this wasn't occurring at 2:30 AM for me, I'd like to understand these big fancy words (zzz) [12:28] <Chrismajor2124> Oral tradition dates it back 6000. Writing dates it back 3000. Modern archaeology supports the oral tradition stance [12:28] <RusMan> I wish I could contribute but ironically I dont know that much compared to you guys. :p [12:28] <TolkienNerds> lol Rus yeah XD [12:28] <Chrismajor2124> Do some Bible study :P [12:28] <Person of Info> This conversation is pretty educational, I must say. [12:28] <Obi the LEGO Fan> well, it's not a book if it's oral tradition :P [12:28] <RusMan> So now I feel sort of foolish but oh well. Çp [12:28] <RusMan> * :p [12:28] <TolkienNerds> like I said earlier I would contribute but my brain doesn't have the mental space [12:28] <I AM MIKASA> I'm kinda shocked that there's a civil religious convo going on RN [12:29] <TolkienNerds> ikr [12:29] <TolkienNerds> no one's died or anything :P [12:29] <RusMan> Welcomd mikasa o/ [12:29] <Chrismajor2124> The words are what matter. I'll work with 3000 years but we also need to consider the 3000 years of background for those words :P [12:29] <RusMan> *welcome [12:29] <Vonness11`> who's I AM MIKASA :p [12:29] <Michaelyoda> Mikasa. [12:29] <Michaelyoda> :P [12:29] <Obi the LEGO Fan> so are you an OEC or do you date the oral tradition all the way back to Adam? :P [12:29] <Chrismajor2124> I date the oral tradition all the way back to Adam getting kicked out of Eden [12:30] <Obi the LEGO Fan> dang I was hoping you were going to say you were an OEC D: [12:30] <Obi the LEGO Fan> :P [12:30] <Chrismajor2124> I'm not a geologist so I don't date the Earth. We can date human civilization however [12:30] <Chrismajor2124> Sorry Obi :P [12:30] <Chrismajor2124> I was gonna try out some theoretical physics here but that gets waaay too crazy :P [12:30] <Obi the LEGO Fan> ha yeah I am a proud agnostic when it comes to how old the earth is :P [12:30] <TolkienNerds> brb fetching some ice cream and peaches (derp) [12:30] <RusMan> The written part of the bible started somewhat after the story of Job. [12:30] <I AM MIKASA> Sorry I was PMing. [12:30] <I AM MIKASA> In reply to Von [12:30] <I AM MIKASA> I AM MIKASA [12:30] <I AM MIKASA> (as) [12:30] <Vonness11`> didn't get a pm [12:31] <Chrismajor2124> Job is the oldest written book in the Bible. And it says the Earth was round some 500 to 1000+ years before the Greeks figured that out :P [12:31] <RusMan> Mi casa = my house In Spanish :p [12:31] <Chrismajor2124> I am my house? :P [12:31] <Obi the LEGO Fan> well actually the earth is spherical :P [12:31] <RusMan> :p [12:31] <Chrismajor2124> Spheres are round :P [12:31] <Michaelyoda> Same difference. [12:31] <Mishkaiel> spheres are round (yds) [12:32] <Chrismajor2124> :P [12:32] <Person of Info> Argh. [12:32] <RusMan> No they're square (genius) [12:32] <Mishkaiel> who woulda thought (yds) [12:32] <Michaelyoda> I just want to ask Job what dragons actually looked like. :P [12:32] <Person of Info> I clicked the wrong button. [12:32] <Chrismajor2124> That's the coolest part :P [12:32] <I AM MIKASA> I thought spheres were triangular [12:32] <Mishkaiel> DRAGONS I LOVE DEM (rofl n) [12:32] <Mishkaiel> no, they're octagonal (UD) [12:32] <TolkienNerds> sameee MY XD [12:32] <RusMan> The dragons were most likely referring to dinosaurs. :p [12:32] <Chrismajor2124> Once you consider the legitimacy of Biblical prophecy and start looking for proof, it gets crazy [12:33] <Chrismajor2124> Actually, the Hebrew word for Serpent in Genesis 3 is the word for Dragon. [12:33] <Michaelyoda> Dinosaurs don't have fire come from their mouth, Rus. :P [12:33] <Chrismajor2124> Satan is symbolized often as a dragon [12:33] <Obi the LEGO Fan> MY, you wouldn't know (gasp) [12:33] <Michaelyoda> True [12:33] <RusMan> Does the bible day that the dragons had fire coming out of their mouths? :p [12:33] <Chrismajor2124> And considering how EVERY culture ever is familiar with dragons and dragon legends, I'm willing to bet a massive dragon extinction :P [12:33] <Obi the LEGO Fan> The Leviathan blew fire, saith Job [12:33] <Chrismajor2124> There you go [12:33] <RusMan> Oh [12:33] <Obi the LEGO Fan> or snorted it :P [12:34] <Chrismajor2124> Exhaling :P [12:34] <RusMan> Well then I dont know, Im sorry :p [12:34] <Mishkaiel> inheritance cycle ftw [12:34] <I AM MIKASA> I'm pretty sure the Bible mentions something like "A giant lizard with wings and breath of fire" or something [12:34] <Mishkaiel> hobbit ftw [12:34] <RusMan> Could be symbolic I suppose [12:34] <RusMan> But for what I dont know [12:34] <Michaelyoda> Basically, Mikasa. It's an underwater creature though, if I recall correctly. [12:34] <Obi the LEGO Fan> mentions of dragon-like / dinosaur-like creatures are scattered all throughout historical records, which is quite odd [12:34] <RusMan> (Noshrug) [12:35] <Obi the LEGO Fan> probably a few of the dinosaurs managed to escape extinction, or something :P [12:35] <Chrismajor2124> Here's something else crazy - every ancient culture has stories of dragons, a flood story, and some kind of astrological pyramid. It's crazy because you have cultures varying from Egypt to ancient Chinese to Mayan and more and they all have these three things [12:35] <Michaelyoda> ^ [12:35] <RusMan> Well the dinosaurs came on the ark during the flood :p [12:35] <Michaelyoda> Unless they died off beforehand. :P [12:35] <Obi the LEGO Fan> astrological pyramid? do you mean like a hierarchy of beings? [12:35] <Mishkaiel> a dragon flying away from a flood landing on an astrological pyramid (y) [12:36] <RusMan> So thats how its recorded of them :p [12:36] <Chrismajor2124> No I mean a pyramid with astrological purposes [12:36] <Mishkaiel> no, the Tower of Babel [12:36] <Obi the LEGO Fan> oh [12:36] <RusMan> *thats how they were recorded [12:36] <Obi the LEGO Fan> not all cultures had actual pyramids :P [12:36] <Person of Info> ^ [12:36] <Chrismajor2124> Ancient cultures :P [12:36] <Obi the LEGO Fan> not all ancient cultures, either [12:36] <Chrismajor2124> Go back far enough and you'll find several generations with the same three things inherent in their culture [12:37] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the Indians did not have pyramids... :P [12:37] <Obi the LEGO Fan> (Indians from Asia) [12:37] <Obi the LEGO Fan> well, NA didn't either for that matter [12:37] <Obi the LEGO Fan> but idk if you consider them "ancient" [12:37] <TolkienNerds> okay children I have to go for now [12:37] <Mishkaiel> Myans [12:37] <TolkienNerds> i may bbl, not sure [12:37] <Obi the LEGO Fan> *Mayans? [12:37] <Mishkaiel> bai tolk [12:37] <Mishkaiel> yah themm [12:37] <Obi the LEGO Fan> cya tolk o/ [12:37] <I AM MIKASA> Cya Tolk [12:37] <Michaelyoda> o\ [12:37] <Chrismajor2124> See ya Tolk! [12:37] <TolkienNerds> byeeeee :3 [12:37] <Mishkaiel> spelling is a bit waerd rignt naow [12:37] <Person of Info> o/ [12:37] <I AM MIKASA> Von answer your darn PM [12:37] <Mishkaiel> u have to unersatnd it's 2 in te morning for me [12:37] <Michaelyoda> I should probably go too, tbh. :P [12:38] <Chrismajor2124> The Asian Indians stemmed from ancient Chinese. Native Americans are not ancient :P [12:38] <Michaelyoda> .......GOODBYE! :P o\ [12:38] <I AM MIKASA> o/ [12:38] <Mishkaiel> bai [12:38] <Mishkaiel> o/ [12:38] <Obi the LEGO Fan> I'm pretty sure there were civilizations in India that were as ancient as the Chinese ones [12:38] <Person of Info> Argh, wrong button again. [12:38] <Obi the LEGO Fan> and since when did Chinese have pyramids? [12:38] <Chrismajor2124> In fact, the Native Americans have very distant relations to the ancient eastern asians, who came from ancient chinese [12:38] <Chrismajor2124> [12:38] <Obi the LEGO Fan> I assume you are using a very rough definition of "pyramid"? [12:38] <Person of Info> I googled Chinese pyramids. [12:39] <Person of Info> They're ancient mausoleums and burial mounds, apparently. [12:39] <RusMan> The aztecs I believe had pyramids [12:39] <Chrismajor2124> Any kind of pyramidal structure would be an easy way to make a tall tower. Not gigantic "to the heavens" but in dedication to the study of the heavens [12:39] <Chrismajor2124> The Aztecs did have pyramids [12:39] <RusMan> Or one of the ancient central/south american cultures [12:39] <Chrismajor2124> Chichen Itza for example [12:39] <Obi the LEGO Fan> so some sort of building dedicated to studying astrology? [12:39] <Chrismajor2124> The Egyptians have the most famous pyramids [12:39] <Chrismajor2124> Yeah basically. [12:40] <Obi the LEGO Fan> probably all ancient cultures did have those, but not necessarily in a pyramid shape :P [12:40] <Person of Info> I don't think the Chinese pyramids had much to do with astrology. [12:40] <Chrismajor2124> Which is crazy considering the Tower of Babel is reported to be a ziggurat (a pyramid of sorts) that is described as "to the heavens" which in Hebrew refers to astrology [12:40] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the ones in china had flat tops, and the ziggurats (sp?) were not triangular, but more like tons of stacked squares [12:40] <Vonness11`> sorry mikasa I'm making crack (derp) [12:41] <Chrismajor2124> Tons of stacked squares - that's basically a zigguratt :P [12:41] <Mishkaiel> lego bricks stacked on top of each other (y) [12:41] <Mishkaiel> lots of bricks [12:41] <Chrismajor2124> Yup :P [12:41] <Mishkaiel> nice [12:41] <Mishkaiel> tomorrow's project [12:42] <Chrismajor2124> Lots of ancient clone brand bricks :P [12:42] <Mishkaiel> bbuild lego ziigggurate [12:42] <Chrismajor2124> Heck, they didn't even use real plastic :P [12:42] <Mishkaiel> (UD) [12:42] <Obi the LEGO Fan> * Obi the LEGO Fan builds a zigguratt to heaven with LEGO (as) [12:42] <Chrismajor2124> Yes! [12:42] <Chrismajor2124> Do it! [12:42] <Mishkaiel> per obi [12:42] <Chrismajor2124> Greatest MOC ever! :P [12:42] <Mishkaiel> (as) [12:42] <Chrismajor2124> Anyways, that conversation went places :P [12:42] <Mishkaiel> *LMBW members start speaking different languages* [12:42] <Obi the LEGO Fan> * Obi the LEGO Fan gets kicked out of heaven for being early [12:42] <Mishkaiel> :O [12:43] <Mishkaiel> čo sa stalo [12:43] <Obi the LEGO Fan> (yk) [12:43] <I AM MIKASA> &gt;.&gt; [12:43] <Chrismajor2124> Don't make me feature astrophysics Obi :P My head hurts right now :P [12:43] <Person of Info> English please. [12:43] <Mishkaiel> mi hovorime po inom jazikom :o [12:43] <Mishkaiel> (UD) [12:43] <Chrismajor2124> Astrophysics. Physics in space :P [12:43] <Mishkaiel> tis called Google translate (UD) [12:43] <Chrismajor2124> Physics 240 - hard class and of COURSE THEY ADDED GRAVITY :P [12:43] <RusMan> Mish I realise that you are talking in your own language :p [12:43] <Person of Info> I want to study particle physics, but all dat maths tho... :P [12:43] <Obi the LEGO Fan> don't make me utilize Kantian epistemology :P my head doesn't hurt right now and I could go a few rounds :P [12:44] <Chrismajor2124> Wait what? :P [12:44] <Mishkaiel> .... yes Rus (UD) [12:44] <RusMan> And no i didnt use google translate :p [12:44] <Mishkaiel> xD [12:44] <Chrismajor2124> Kant was an interesting guy :P [12:44] <Chrismajor2124> But I like physics better than philosophy :P [12:44] <Obi the LEGO Fan> (gasp) [12:44] <Chrismajor2124> Sorry Obi :P [12:44] <RusMan> It's slavic so I understand some of it :p [12:44] <Chrismajor2124> I'm a computer engineer :P [12:44] <Obi the LEGO Fan> Einstein was an interesting guy :P [12:44] <Mishkaiel> lol [12:44] <Obi the LEGO Fan> but I like philosophy better than physics :P [12:44] <Mishkaiel> computer engineer? O_O [12:44] <Person of Info> ^ [12:44] <RusMan> Im scared about taking physics :p [12:44] <Mishkaiel> nice [12:44] <Chrismajor2124> (gasp2) [12:44] <Person of Info> @Obi [12:44] <Chrismajor2124> :P [12:44] <I AM MIKASA> You like philosophyover everything Obi [12:44] <RusMan> Because Ill probably fail it :p [12:45] <Obi the LEGO Fan> (as) [12:45] <Mishkaiel> you overphylosophize everyting, obi :P xD [12:45] <Chrismajor2124> I did some philosophy and I kinda liked it but I'm more of a Science Tech Math Engineering guy :P [12:45] <RusMan> I love tech [12:45] <Obi the LEGO Fan> scientists usually have a poor grasp of philosophy and make epistemologically outrageous claims :P [12:45] <RusMan> But I am terrible at math :c [12:46] <Person of Info> :P [12:46] <RusMan> Sadly [12:46] <Obi the LEGO Fan> they need to learn more about Kant's forms of intuition and Gödel's theorem, etc [12:46] <Mishkaiel> Obi, no offence but I see you as the type of kid who grew up in a classroom asking the teacher "why." "cuz bla bla bla bla." "why" "cuz dis and dis" "why" "JUST CUZ OK BELIEVE IT" "why" "GRRRRRRRRR" [12:46] <Chrismajor2124> Modern philosophers don't like quantifiable data though :P [12:46] <Obi the LEGO Fan> modern philosophers (link) [12:46] <Chrismajor2124> I show stats and numbers to my friends in the English department and it's like trying to smell the color nine :P [12:47] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the modern philosophers are Locke, Kant, Hegel, Hume, etc [12:47] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the word for philosophers who are still alive is "contemporary" :P [12:47] <Person of Info> AKA mostly dead guys. :P [12:47] <Person of Info> @Modern [12:47] <Mishkaiel> larry, moe, and curly joe [12:47] <Chrismajor2124> Fine. Contemporary then :P [12:47] <Mishkaiel> those three are our saviors [12:47] <Obi the LEGO Fan> Mish: I do ask why a lot :p [12:47] <Chrismajor2124> I'm just a poor sport at contemporary philosophy :P [12:47] <Obi the LEGO Fan> I question everything, as I am wont to do [12:47] <Mishkaiel> we must listen to those three in order to save our souls [12:48] <Legoanimals750> John Williams. :P [12:48] <Chrismajor2124> I question stuff but if I don't get proof I throw a mini-tantrum :P [12:48] <Chrismajor2124> Well not exactly :P \ [12:48] <Mishkaiel> did you ask why the sky was blu obi? (derp4) [12:48] <Obi the LEGO Fan> a lot of contemporary philosophy that branches out of neo-Marxism and phenomenology is fascinating [12:48] <Chrismajor2124> Well, tis been fun but I must be off. My battery is low and my brain is dying :P [12:48] <Obi the LEGO Fan> the heirs of the analytical school and natural theology tend to be more boring :P [12:48] <Chrismajor2124> Ah, Neo-Marxism. That's super fun :P [12:48] <I AM MIKASA> Cya Chris o/ [12:49] <Mishkaiel> aaaaaaaaagh must go too [12:49] <Chrismajor2124> But I'm gonna be a good boy and charge my laptop. See ya! [12:49] <Obi the LEGO Fan> alright, cya Chris o/ [12:49] <RusMan> Bye Chris, come again soon. O/ [12:49] <Person of Info> o/ [12:49] <Chrismajor2124> See ya guys! This was fun :P [12:49] <Chrismajor2124> 19% and going ... :P [12:49] <RusMan> Ok good :p [12:49] <Person of Info> BTW, does Chris come here often? [12:49] <Mishkaiel> SAVE DA BATTERY (derp2) [12:49] <RusMan> No [12:49] <Mishkaiel> DUN'T LET IT DIE (derp2) [12:49] <Person of Info> Once a month? [12:50] <Mishkaiel> oh waite he's gone [12:50] <Mishkaiel> oh well [12:50] <Mishkaiel> that was fun [12:50] <Mishkaiel> had an amazing PM with him [12:50] <RusMan> He came here for the first time I believe yesterday or recently. [12:50] <Mishkaiel> kden, bai people cya tomorrow sometime o/ [12:50] <I AM MIKASA> Cya Mish o/ [12:50] <RusMan> Bye [12:50] <Person of Info> See ya, Mishy. [12:50] <RusMan> Poka o/ [12:50] <RusMan> Da svedaniya o/ [12:50] <Mishkaiel> I needz get up early tomorrow, but I stayed up till 3 [12:50] <Mishkaiel> why [12:51] <Mishkaiel> is there an answer [12:51] <Mishkaiel> Obi [12:51] <Mishkaiel> answer me [12:51] <RusMan> Addiction [12:51] <Obi the LEGO Fan> I have the questions, not the answers (as) [12:51] <Mishkaiel> (UD) [12:51] <I AM MIKASA> Because you love us so much :3 [12:51] <Mishkaiel> some help u are [12:51] <Mishkaiel> yah dat [12:51] <Mishkaiel> (heart) [12:51] <I AM MIKASA> &lt;3 [12:51] <RusMan> (H) [12:52] <I AM MIKASA> &lt;3 should be (heart) [12:52] <I AM MIKASA> Someone make an emote vote (as) [12:52] <Mishkaiel> kden bai people'z later dudes and duddetes female dudes (idk what term thatt is, whatever) o/ o/ o/ [12:52] <Person of Info> Test: (:3) [12:52] <Person of Info> Ooohhh. [12:52] <RusMan> Bye o/ [12:52] <Person of Info> o/ [12:52] <I AM MIKASA> o/ [12:52] <RusMan> (neck) [12:52] <RusMan> (neckstretch) [12:52] <RusMan> (nostretch) [12:52] <RusMan> Ugh [12:52] <RusMan> There's an emote of a rage guy stretching his neck out. [12:53] <Person of Info> I think I saw that. [12:53] <Person of Info> IDK the code though. :P [12:53] <RusMan> ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ&lt;O(･ิᴗ･ิ) [12:53] <RusMan> Icecream to the face. [12:53] <RusMan> [12:53] <Person of Info> Is that Kirby? [12:54] <I AM MIKASA> It actually does look like Kirby :o [12:55] <I AM MIKASA> Where's Mad. She's like supposed to always be on D: [12:55] <Person of Info> Aaaaaand Kirby killed chat. [12:57] <Person of Info> Less people on chat right now than usual. [12:57] <I AM MIKASA> Yeahhh it's only 6 D: [12:57] <RusMan> I killed chat. :'( [12:57] <Person of Info> No, Kirby did. [12:57] <I AM MIKASA> Bad Rus! [12:58] <I AM MIKASA> BAD [12:58] <RusMan> >:D:D" height="19" width="19"> [12:58] <Person of Info> (banhammer) [12:58] <I AM MIKASA> Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done [12:58] <RusMan> WHY DOES IT FEEL SO GOOD SO GOOD TO BE BAD [12:58] <RusMan> (dance) [12:58] <I AM MIKASA> xD [12:59] <ShadowOfOblivion7119> IM BACK HONEYS [01:00] <Person of Info> Hey YJF. o/ [01:00] <I AM MIKASA> Hey Mr. Angel of Darkness sir. (as) [01:00] <ShadowOfOblivion7119> yo [01:00] <ShadowOfOblivion7119> Do I kow you? [01:00] <ShadowOfOblivion7119> TARGET_COMPLETED [01:00] <ShadowOfOblivion7119> crap [01:00] <RusMan> Uh oh YJF is in da house. [01:00] <I AM MIKASA> You may or you may not. c: [01:01] <I AM MIKASA> Who knows? c: [01:02] <ShadowOfOblivion7119> what's wrong with me being here?? [01:02] <ShadowOfOblivion7119> Scared of my Oblivon powers? [01:02] <Person of Info> (eyeroll) [01:02] <ShadowOfOblivion7119> oh shut it, Info, you know you want mah powers, but ya can't have em [01:03] <Vonness11`> triple dent gum will make you smile [01:03] <Vonness11`> :) [01:03] <Person of Info> I almost posted something that I shouldn't have. :P [01:03] <I AM MIKASA> (sus) [01:03] <ShadowOfOblivion7119> Von, your my friend (sie) [01:04] <I AM MIKASA> Won is everyone's friend c: [01:04] <I AM MIKASA> *Von