Thread:Obi the LEGO Fan/@comment-25988337-20150704210626/@comment-4845243-20150705172340

Keplers wrote: Obi the LEGO Fan wrote: Keplers wrote: Riolu777 wrote: How much of having Confederate flag avvies is a reaction to the LGBT* flag avvies?

Would having a Swastika avvie be acceptable, as it falls under "freedom of expression"? The Confederates engaged in systematic oppression of African Americans — creating and depending on a system wherein people were treated as fricking property, sexually assaulted, ripped apart from their families, whipped, beaten, dehumanized, and refused education (which was often illegal). Literally hundreds of thousands of Africans died because of slavery. This went on for decades. Even after the war we had Jim Crow laws and a bunch of other crap. Not all of the people were treated in this manner — yes, they were still slaves, no, better treatment is no excuse to own a person, but many, many slaves were not treated like that and thousands adopted their masters' surnames. You also treat this like it's purely a matter of race when there were white slaves, too. This oppression was also not "systematic" as some devised plan against the blacks and against slaves (as it was in Nazi Germany). Blacks were easier to get because West African tribes had plenty of prisoners of war and sold said prisoners to the whites who came around. In the end, I daresay that those blacks who were emancipated enjoyed a far better fate than their forefathers or even they would have suffered at the hands of those tribes. On top of this, there were also black owners with black and white slaves and blacks who voluntarily joined the Confederate cause.
 * 1) I only had it because Derpulse was banned for it and it was quite literally the most ludicrous thing I had seen in 2015.
 * No, because the Confederates, my family, didn't try to conquer the planet, burn millions in furnaces and gas chambers, hold millions in prison camps, and try to systematically murder anyone who didn't fall under their idea of perfection.

I will repeat myself again that plans were being devised to free the slaves.

EDIT: Grammatical corrections. Not all of the Jews were burned or tortured by the Nazis, either. Lots of Danish Jews, for example, were kept in less noxious camps and turned back over the Danish government earlier than the rest.

That of course, does absolutely nothing to excuse the crimes of the Nazis. Neither does the fact that some slave owners still had the ability to empathize excuse or even mitigate their crimes and those of the Confederacy. Slavery is dehumanizing and terrible regardless of how people are treated, just like putting people in concentration camps is dehumanizing and terrible even if you aren't killed or tortured.

It was a matter of race, and of course of economic expediency. But people did in fact believe that Africans were inferior to Europeans and that is how they justified their crimes, although not necessarily how it got started. The number of "white" slaves was negligible if at all in existence, and has nothing to do with the argument I presented.

The point remains, and the Confederate flag will not be tolerated on this wiki.