Board Thread:Community Voting/@comment-4845243-20150126004431/@comment-4257955-20150131192747

Ihaveawiixboxds wrote: Goggles99 wrote: Obi the LEGO Fan wrote: Rio, the point about efficiency is decent, but it simply does not outweigh the fact that neither all chat moderators nor all patrollers are qualified to be thread moderators. Some of the patrollers lack the social skills, and some of the CMs lack the technical skills (and, to be completely honest, there are some people I don't think should be chat moderators, who I likewise don't think should be thread moderators).

In a cost/benefit analysis, option #1 beats out all the others. The only cost it has is more work for the admins and more time spent choosing moderators. But the end result will be a more dedicated (since they actually decided to pursue the position), more accountable (since they were elected as an individual, not appointed or elected as a group), and more proactive (since they made the effort to get elected, as opposed to just accepting it) team of moderators.

Yes, it requires work, but having a high-quality team of users with any right should be a lot of work. Our admin, CM, and patroller teams didn't spring up overnight, they are the result of a long process. We're not really a Forum based Wikia, unlike a lot of other Wikias. What happens if a user makes a post on a Message Wall that they regret posting, or could be potentially embarrassing? Must they attempt to flag down an Admin and get them to remove it? Sure for more Official type issues, these rights would fit well with Admins, but for more Personal style post moderating like this (which there is a lot more of, IMO), I think the Chat Mods are a lot more suited to these rights.

And if you don't think the Chat Mods have sufficient skill, then that is an entirely new issue, which should also be looked at sometime. Because as far as I see it, the same skills needed to moderate chat would be comparable to the skills needed to moderate threads. Chat Moderators SHOULD have the necessary skill to use these rights, even if they don't, they should. In reply to the second part of your post, I think what Obi was saying is that there are a few chat moderators that the community selected who Obi did not think deserved the rights. Personally, I agree with him, so I don't think we should give moderator rights to all chat moderators, either.

But if that's the criteria for being a Moderator or not, then the community-voted CMs that Obi and others deem as being unfit for the duty would be effectively singled out as they're left without the new rights. If that's the case, then you might as well demote them, right?