Board Thread:Community Discussions/@comment-25463305-20160115212355/@comment-7855039-20160118235106

first everyone note that we don't have to introduce the CONTENT MOD change if we don't want to, but we have to accept the fact that discussion mods now have additional rights (including chat mod rights)

next: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/5/5a/NewLocalGroups.png/revision/latest?cb=20160113175652

in regard to the above diagram wikia staff made: this really wouldn't be what this wiki's power structure would like.

chat (kicking, banning, and moderating) is so much more integral of this wiki than article-related things (Deleting and undeleting pages, protecting and unprotecting pages, suppress redirect on page moves, move files, and reupload files), most people can agree, whether they like it or not.

so, if we choose to introduce the new "content mod" group (discussion mods already are already in effect, we cant stop that), then the user group structure on this wiki would probably look like this (again, this is really all opinion but..):

BUREAUCRATS (Most rights)

ADMINS (2nd most rights.. what comes after admin is when it gets tricky)

DISCUSSION MODS  (imo 3rd most rights, because discussion mods not only have their original moderator powers now but they have /additonal/ powers such as the ability to moderate chat and the ability to delete, move, and edit article comments and delete blog comments as well. since chat is so important to this wiki i put them here because now discussion mods will have chat powers.

i guess it would make most sense to make an rfr for this category, since the old "moderator" category is rip and they are now discussion mods. like wikia said this could be like a "junior admin" position.

CHAT MODS: (t-4th most rights. same rights, kicking, banning, moderating.) i put this above content mods because imo this is more of a social wiki than a technical one.

CONTENT MODS (imo 5th most rights. this may be a controversial opinion, putting content mods below chat mods, but if we introduced content mods to this wiki, they would have rollback rights, plus the following abilities: deleting and undeleting pages, protecting and unprotecting pages, suppress redirect on page moves, move files, and reupload files. it's true that this position could also serve as a "junior admin"-like position like discussion mod does, however imo the technical/editing side of this wiki is so small that i don't feel it is as important.

so in summary, content mods would have rollback rights + additional article-related rights

PATROLLER: (imo 6h most rights) rollback rights plus other rights, but NOT AS MUCH AS content mod rights!. note that patroller is more of a custom-group that we have on this wiki that was not in the group structure wikia listed in the picture because it is not common on many wikis. in short, patrollers have rollback rights + a series of other article and page-related rights. we actually kinda noscoped wikia, we invented this right before content mod was a thing, and content mod and patroller are almost identical, except content mod has a few more rights, such as overwriting existing files, undeleting pages, etc.)

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PROPOSAL/MY OPINION:

First note that we don't have to introduce content mods if we don't want to!! (I don't think we should) BECAUUUSEEE:  first, patrollers are similar to content mods, despite having less rights.

furthermore, content mod is controversial because it has more rights than patroller. even though those extra rights content mods have may not be a lot, is it just enough to say that content mods are higher than chat mods? LETS AVOID THIS DEBATE AND GET RID OF CONTENT MODS ENTIRELY, because everyone agrees patroller is below chatmod, but chatmod vs contentmod? harder to say.

most everyone can agree that chat mod has more rights over patroller, but since content mods are pretty much a patroller+ (patrollers with some more rights), it's up to debate whether what's higher on this wiki: content mods or chat mods. pretty much said that in the last paragraph but i already typed this out so.

therefore, to avoid arguments and such, I PROPOSE TO /NOT/ INTRODUCE THE NEW RIGHT OF CONTENT MOD, AND KEEP THE POWER STRUCTURE AT BURO -> ADMIN -> DISCUSSION MOD -> CHAT MOD -> PATROLLER.

Note again that we can't avoid discussion moderators being a thing, but we can choose to use the new content mod group or not.

thats a lot of writing. good night.