Thread:Obi the LEGO Fan/@comment-25988337-20150704210626/@comment-4845243-20150704234257

Derpulse wrote: Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Derpulse wrote:

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Derpulse wrote:

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Legofrodo12 wrote: Hmm... Does anyone else find it interesting that a Rebel Flag (a common symbol in the southern states where Keplers and Mish live) is considered offensive enough to ban, but gay flags aren't? Not saying there's anything wrong with users having gay flags, just saying that a Rebel flag really isn't very different. Well, it's quite simple. A flag used by the KKK is a symbol of oppression (in this case racism and terrorism). Symbols of oppression are offensive and unacceptable. The pride flags, on the contrary, are symbols of solidarity for oppressed people. There is no comparison. Hey, the KKK has used the USA flag multiple times. I issue a formal request that all American flags are banned, as they're just as racist as the Confederate flag. Except

1) America abolished slavery, the Confederacy defended it

2) The American flag is not viewed as a symbol of racism by oppressed people

3) The American flag is not associated with slavery or KKK

4) The American revolution had certain key principles, like "all men are created equal" that are contradictory to slavery. When KKK uses the American flag, they are contradicting the original intent. When they use the Confederate flag they are not, as the Confederacy fought for the right to own slaves and many of them were slave owners themselves. 1. And for years, Americans defended slavery.

2. lol, riiiiiight.

3. So the fact that the KKK claims it as their flag means....? 1) Yes, but the only Americans to do so in a war were the Confederates.

2) impressive argument here

3) They did not claim it as "their" flag AFAIK, but they did use it. However, when people look at the American flag, they do not think "KKK." That was my point.

4) Funny how you ignore the most important point. 1. No, I'm saying from 1776-1860 thousands of Americans (Under the American flag) enslaved african-americans, and up until the 1960's disenfranchised them.

2. I can assure you that there are plenty of minorities who view the American flag as opressive, so hence 'lol, right'

3. So, if I suddenly said I ascociate the US flag with the KKK you'd ban it? (All dictator style.)

4. Ah, I didn't know you wouldn't accept my silent concession. My apologies, great, wise, infallible Obi. 1) That's true, and most unfortunate. The United States has done many terrible things, I agree. My original point, however, was that America did in fact abolish slavery, whereas the Confederacy did not, and in fact depended on and defended slavery.

2) Well, maybe, but I don't think the majority of African Americans think the flag is a symbol of racism and slavery.

3) No, this was an observation about the majority of society and how they view the flag.

4) The sarcasm isn't necessary here. But since this point stands, then there is a good reason to ban the Confederate flag and not the American one.