User blog comment:Obi the LEGO Fan/Regulating "Admin Talk"/@comment-5111283-20150307154013/@comment-4845243-20150307174724

Transparency - You say, "if I say something here I need to think more about how to word something in order to not be offensive"

That's actually a good thing. Seriously, your argument is that you personally are more comfortable with admin talk. You're talking about yourself and not about what benefits the community. Learning how to be sensitive and tactful when communicating is actually an important skill. If having to discuss things with the community helps you to build that skill, that's actually a benefit to you and the community. Admin talk may be within your comfort zone, and it may be more convenient and easy for you, but it's not beneficial to the community.

This is an honest question, not trying to be mean, but how does your personal preference outweigh huge benefits to the community?

Efficiency - Here's the thing. You say, correctly, "we get an idea about something, post it on the Admin Site, discuss it, bring up points, and refine the idea." The reason this decreases efficiency is that we then have to do the same thing on the voting forum. Because the community didn't see all our points, doesn't understand our reasoning, and doesn't necessarily have the information we brought up, they will discuss things that we may already have brought up. Also, allowing the community to see and participate in this process has huge educational benefits. These educational benefits will, in the long run, increase efficiency, as they will help the community make more clear and effective decisions quickly.

Education - First of all, blocking will not be discussed by communities. That's something still within the purview of administration, and we'll still be allowed to discuss it at admin talk. Also, demotions can already be discussed on-wiki, but they are so rare that you don't really have to worry about them. As I already stated, learning to be more sensitive and tactful is a good skill.

Also, I don't really understand what you mean by "Educating the populace is good, but I think we should just hold ourselves higher that we need to tell people more about our opinions on matters." Educating the community is a huge benefit that is not outweighed by anything you've said. So what gives?

As to your comments about the proposal:

Blocks are still decided by admins, as always. That's not changing. Also, we're willing to compromise on demotions and still allow those to be discussed on admin talk (which is why they aren't specifically mentioned in the proposal), although I like your idea of bringing it to the community afterwards even if we do discuss it there. As for policy, however, I think that needs to be completely on-wiki. We've voted on policy a few times here already, and it works fine. There's no need to discuss policy on admin talk.