LEGO Message Boards Wiki:Chat/Logs/15 January 2014

 [01:42]  You're a nutcase if you think that. You can ignore trolling. You can't ignore 15 rounds of 7.62x39 fired from a full-auto AK-47 coming at you in your house in Kabul. The comparison is distasteful at best and callously barbaric at worst. [01:42]  Actually edit, maybe? Nobody edits here anymore @Gs [01:42]  No offense but why debate about this? No one has stated there being problems other than inactive admins. [01:42]  Gs, maybe something that would, in particular improve the wiki instead of constantly minimodding... [01:42]  LBB does have a point there. Although the goals are blurry at best. [01:42]  @ Whoeversaid something about the rules [01:42]  LFY, many people, including myself, find editing to be waste of time... [01:42]  @Klint: Sadly, I am not active on the LEGO Message Boards, so that is out. I try to edit, but my knowledge is limited. [01:42]  I wanted the rules to be clearer and easier to understand and follow. [01:42]  Loney, remember, this is Wikia, an online Database [01:42]  Hey Nxt [01:43]  If it's a 'waste of time', then the wiki is even more of a waste. [01:43]  o/ [01:43]  @LBB, then make your own rules and ask the Admins to incorporate them. [01:43]  o/ [01:43] <Loney 97> This wiki is not exactly used as a wiki. [01:43] <His Butler, online chatter> My my you chaps do fight a lot! [01:43] <AG-SYSTEMS> Hey Nxt. o/ [01:43] <Gslover1> Hello, Nxt. [01:43] <MeltE2> Well, Klint, you know what happens when we try to move anywhere. [01:43] <Sadistica> Hey NXT [01:43] <Klintran> Everyone uses "well we're more of a community" as an excuse, and...why [01:43] <Legofanyoda1547> Then it shouldn't really bee a wiki [01:43] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> The wiki is a waste because the admins refuse to clean up the mess. [01:43] <Legofanyoda1547> *be [01:43] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> But a hand here and there helps. [01:43] <Gslover1> Klint, I've tried to cut back the mini-modding. [01:43] <MeltE2> It shouldn't be a wiki, but nobody wants to go anywhere else. [01:43] <Klintran> I know, Gs [01:43] <Legofanyoda1547> This wiki is a waste because nobody uses it properly [01:43] <Gslover1> Per Melt. [01:43] <Gslover1> And LFY. They are right. [01:44] <Loney 97> Everyone here tends to use it much more like a social network than a wiki. [01:44] <Gslover1> Although it does serve some of our purposes, and I am concern of what little we have might become if we leave this place and made another. [01:44] <Klintran> If you actually want what's best for the wiki in general, edit. Don't sit around here all day. [01:44] <MeltE2> Well, this is interesting and all, but I have to go for supper. [01:44] <Gslover1> Goodbye, Melt. [01:44] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Why move when you can help rebuild LMBW? [01:44] <Klintran> Chatting about sexual references, gay and lesbian people..seriously? [01:44] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> If the admins wont do a bricking thing. Do it yourself. [01:44] <Loney 97> Klint, that isn't why we're here. [01:44] <Klintran> When you could be doing something at least HALF-productive. [01:44] <MeltE2> Editing this worthless place would not help. [01:45] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Klint - Calm down please. [01:45] <Klintran> Loney, most common topic on chat, nonetheless [01:45] <Nxtstep101> Wait, when did that happen Klint? [01:45] <Cakedude222> Per Kint [01:45] <Klintran> Nxt, earlier today for an example [01:45] <Legofanyoda1547> klint YKW [01:45] <Klintran> and it goes on all during the week. [01:45] <Gslover1> LBB, to rebuild is to make anew. What foundation do we have to build upon? [01:45] <Loney 97> No Klint, I meant about editing. [01:45] <Nxtstep101> Any logs? [01:45] <Klintran> Oh. [01:45] <Klintran> I think you had it logged, actually [01:45] <Loney 97> Who here actually joined so that they could edit? [01:45] <Klintran> Me. [01:45] <MeltE2> Well, let's delete this wiki. [01:45] <MeltE2> And that will solve everything. [01:46] <Legofanyoda1547> I joined so I could edit actually [01:46] <MeltE2> Make the people move. [01:46] <Klintran> I had around 100 edits before even joining chat [01:46] <Sadistica> Just delete the chat. [01:46] <Gslover1> Everything, but us. [01:46] <Gslover1> Hello, Cake. [01:46] <Legofanyoda1547> Chat wasn't even /up/ when I joined. [01:46] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I myself would build apon the thought of a better wiki. One that is better for users, But yours my differ as do everyone [01:46] <Legofanyoda1547> Chat was added a month after I joined [01:46] <Loney 97> That explains the position Klint and LFY are taking... [01:46] <MeltE2> Deleting the chat is pointless, because then this wiki would be dead. [01:46] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Per Mel [01:46] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> *Melt [01:46] <AG-SYSTEMS> Move this wiki's articles to Brickimedia. How bout that? [01:46] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> You can't delete a problem. It will always be there [01:46] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Mel? lolwut brick :P [01:46] <Gslover1> Not totally, Melt. There would be those who would edit. [01:46] <MeltE2> MOVE TO BRICKIMEDIA. LOL [01:46] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Editing is done, it's all about the chat now. [01:46] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> You have to solve the problem. [01:47] <AG-SYSTEMS> No, move the articles to Brickimedia. [01:47] <Klintran> Deactivating chat would help weed out most of the bad users/trolls [01:47] <Legofanyoda1547> If the Wiki would be dead, then that shows how much of a horrible state the wiki is in. [01:47] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> I'd rather chat get deleted than move to Brickimedia, frankly. [01:47] <MeltE2> Anyway, I have to go. [01:47] <Klintran> Per. [01:47] <Klintran> @LFY [01:47] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Per LFY [01:47] <MeltE2> I would move to BM. [01:47] <Sadistica> Per LBB running away won't solve anything. The problems will come back. [01:47] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Chat is all people care about. [01:47] <Gslover1> How much more can one edit on new users and the deformed state of the LEGO Message Boards? [01:47] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Err, running away? [01:47] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> And Sad is right, we need to get the admins' attention. [01:48] <Sadistica> Brickimedia I mean [01:48] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I tried to solve the issues but I got ignored by my own admin team [01:48] <Klintran> Well, TBH, we wouldn't really get anything done on /this/ wiki. Most admins debate about the subject for 6 months [01:48] <Klintran> then forget about it [01:48] <Legofanyoda1547> By the way, I talked with Legoguy on IRC the other day. He's disappointed that the wiki is used as a socializing site now [01:48] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Oh nevermind. I read that worng. [01:48] <Klintran> I can testify to that ^ [01:48] <Bigbudcat> I will now let you all be horrified by this emote. (gasp2) [01:48] <Bigbudcat> [01:48] <Bigbudcat> Sent from Clutch [01:48] <Klintran> @LFY [01:48] <AG-SYSTEMS> If you are all so angry about stuff, why not ask to be promoted to admin or write a blog. [01:49] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Look, each person has power to change the world. It depends if you got the will to do it. [01:49] <Gslover1> AG is right. Grab their attention and hold it tight. [01:49] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Asking to admin would make you go down the list to get admin. [01:49] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> *to be admin [01:49] <Sadistica> Because nothing will change if it's made into a heated debate. [01:49] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I don't want admin. A regular user can do as much change as admin. Maybe more. [01:49] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> But a blog might work. [01:49] <AG-SYSTEMS> Well ask the Wikia heads for all I care. [01:49] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Wikia doesn't care, we're on our own. [01:49] <Legofanyoda1547> ^ [01:50] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> If all of you just do at least one thing to fix LMBW, then maybe, you can fix it without the admins. [01:50] <Klintran> Should probably be done, @AG [01:50] <Gslover1> Still, I have desired to edit much more, from the day I joined I desired to do so. I wish I could, but my knowledge is weak in that point. Not in the ability to edit, but in the knowledge of things I can edit. [01:50] <Klintran> LBB, sadly, the admins have the final decision in everything [01:50] <Klintran> we can't make any choices without approval from them. [01:50] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> They do not control our actions [01:50] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> They can delete our words [01:50] <Sadistica> I haven't edited much. Perhaps I should work more on that. [01:50] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> But they can't stop what we do. [01:50] <Gslover1> We have the voice, Klint. Something they don't have. [01:50] <AG-SYSTEMS> When the mods won't listen, revolt. [01:50] <AG-SYSTEMS> *admins [01:51] <Nehpets700> AND I THREW IT TO THE GROUND! I won't be apart of your system! [01:51] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> They will have to hand us separately or hang us together [01:51] <Gslover1> Per AG, revolt against the Admins. [01:51] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Which do you guys choose? [01:51] <Nehpets700> (My dad is not a phone. :| ) [01:51] <Legofanyoda1547> You even need to have unbans approved by admins now. If a user can be trusted with CM rights, I think they can be trusted to unban someone [01:51] <AG-SYSTEMS> If we are hung then we know we tried our best. [01:51] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> And revolt for the better. But Still follow the rules. [01:51] <Gslover1> May we all be hung together. [01:51] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> http://safeshare.tv/w/kdRBQRQWYi Wikia in a nutshell. [01:51] <Sadistica> LBB, yes there's been many times I wanted to speak out my thoughts but was afraid of being put down. [01:52] <Sadistica> But haters gonna hate [01:52] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> The admins my want to put us down. But we still stand up. [01:52] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> *may [01:52] <Gslover1> We should join our thoughts together and change the whole system here. [01:52] <Klintran> Lol @ how there's an admin here right now watching all this "revolt against admins" stuff. [01:52] <AG-SYSTEMS> @BG, voice you opinion. If someone thinks it's stupid, screw them. [01:52] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Stand up Stronger than ever. [01:52] <SoundwaveFangirlSarah> ... [01:52] <Legofanyoda1547> Drew and Nxt are decent admins [01:52] <SoundwaveFangirlSarah> I just have to state that you might fare better if there is not a revolution... [01:53] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Let the admins watch, they can't stop us now. [01:53] <Legofanyoda1547> LBB was a decent admin while he was one [01:53] <Sadistica> Thanks AG ^_^ I'll speak up more often. [01:53] <SoundwaveFangirlSarah> .... ._. [01:53] <Legofanyoda1547> the other admins... eh [01:53] <Gslover1> Yes, not all admins are bad, LFY. [01:53] <SoundwaveFangirlSarah> I... don't even... [01:53] <AG-SYSTEMS> You're welcome, BG. [01:53] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> True Gslover. They just have changed. [01:53] <AG-SYSTEMS> The admins need a kick in da pants. [01:53] <Gslover1> We needed a revolution, but a strange command as users. [01:53] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Strong? [01:53] <Gslover1> Do not need. (fw) [01:54] <Sadistica> But in all fairness it's not really all the admins. [01:54] <Gslover1> *Strong. Yes. [01:54] <Sadistica> Most are just inactive which really makes things hard. [01:54] <Gslover1> No, it may not even be the admins faults, but ours. [01:54] <Klintran> LBB, I PM'd you [01:54] <Gslover1> We're the community and the breathing soul, at best, they're the head. [01:54] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> If we get users to fight for the better, we will get more hands, voices and bodies. [01:54] <AG-SYSTEMS> If we don't voice are opinion, who will voice it for us? [01:54] <AG-SYSTEMS> *our [01:55] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> No one. [01:55] <Gslover1> which is what we shall do, AG. Voice our opinions. [01:55] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Hear hear! [01:55] <AG-SYSTEMS> Wonderful. Just know that opinions might differ. [01:56] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> That's the thing AG. We need one mission. One mission for all of us to hold. [01:56] <Gslover1> Yes, the opinions may differ, but it is those that agree that will count the most and become strong. [01:56] <Gslover1> Per LBB. [01:56] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Our mission to rebuild the wiki for the better. [01:56] <Sadistica> No person thinks the same even if we have stuff in common. Yes there will be conflict(which I'm guilty of somewhat from running from) [01:56] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [01:56] <His Butler, online chatter> This avatar is quite embarrassing [01:56] <AG-SYSTEMS> Then get a new one. [01:56] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Yes, default avvies make you look like a n00b, no offense. :P [01:56] <His Butler, online chatter> Not worthy to represent the Phantomhives [01:57] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> Phantomhives? [01:57] <Sadistica> Wait Han [01:57] <Klintran> I keep lagging [01:57] <Gslover1> Then we should set a list of goals. What goals do we need and agree upon? [01:57] <Sadistica> I have an idea pm [01:57] <His Butler, online chatter> But my file refuses to load [01:57] <His Butler, online chatter> Quite stubborn I might say [01:57] <AG-SYSTEMS> :U [01:57] <SoundwaveFangirlSarah> I have to go. [01:57] <Gslover1> That is too bad, Butler. Perhaps you should reboot your computer. [01:57] <AG-SYSTEMS> Bye Sarah. o/ [01:57] <Gslover1> Goodbye, Sarah. [01:57] <Klintran> I'd help if we actually had confirmation from the admins that they would support it, and not just randomly stop us after we worked on it. [01:57] <His Butler, online chatter> Goodbye lady Sarah o [01:58] <His Butler, online chatter> * o/ [01:58] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Forget the admins. [01:58] <Gslover1> Let us work on a list of what we want to do first, Klint. [01:58] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> They refuse change enough. [01:58] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> It's time to push through the barriers! [01:58] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> But I agree with Gslover. We need goals. [01:58] <AG-SYSTEMS> Thing is I feel like I am going to disagree with some of you. You may do your revolution without me for now. [01:58] <Sadistica> If you don't change the baby's diaper it will stink (gasp) [01:58] <Sadistica> Lifelessons [01:58] <Klintran> Editing should be #1, seeing as we can't do much else at the moment. [01:59] <Gslover1> Then let us write down our goals and push for them. [01:59] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> What do you guys like to see change at LMBW? [01:59] <Gslover1> We cannot argue with the Admins if we have nothing to fight for. [01:59] <Klintran> Demote the admins, LBB. But that isn't gonna go far. :P [01:59] <Klintran> and mods* [01:59] <Gslover1> Klint, there should be a quota for edits, no? [01:59] <Nxtstep101> So what are we discussing? I've been in PM this whole time. :P [01:59] <Klintran> Clean restart would be efficient IMO [01:59] <Klintran> Secret, Nxt. [01:59] <Klintran> No admins allowed. [01:59] <AG-SYSTEMS> Revolutions Nxt, Revolutions. [02:00] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @klint Why demote them? We can do nothing do them, so let's forget them. [02:00] <Gslover1> A clean start might cause too much chaos. [02:00] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> True Gslover. [02:00] <Klintran> It would, be it'd be better then keeping the bad ones. :P [02:00] <Klintran> IMO at least [02:00] <Gslover1> Forgiving and forgetting may work better than total demotion. [02:00] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @klint we will build on the mess. [02:00] <Nxtstep101> As much as I like the idea of a clean start I think as Gs stated it would cause an over-abundance of chaos. [02:01] <Legofanyoda1547> You should need at least 500 mainspace edits for admin, in my opinion. What's sad is that Spy has over ten times that amount and doesn't have admin, yet the user who is most recommended for admin only has 62 mainspace edits. [02:01] <Klintran> (by bad I mean inactive and ones that don't even use rights in-general) [02:01] <Nxtstep101> I think we should mentor our current CM team. [02:01] <Gslover1> Yes, a clean start may only make trouble, and at worst, dictatorship, as we have (somewhat) now. [02:01] <Gslover1> Welcome back, Batgirl. [02:01] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> like I said. You don't have to be an admin to make change. [02:01] <Nxtstep101> Per, LBB [02:01] <Gslover1> LBB is totally correct. They don't make the changes we desire, we can. [02:02] <Legofanyoda1547> Spy being admin could greatly benefit the wiki though [02:02] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Yet, you have to do something to make change. [02:02] <Klintran> Per LFY [02:02] <AG-SYSTEMS> Yet being an admin is good at times. [02:02] <Klintran> Spy should be admin, but he hasn't even been brought up according to another admin [02:02] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I tried being admin, look at where it landed me. [02:02] <Legofanyoda1547> Spy deserves admin more than any other user on the wiki right now, really [02:03] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Are you guys sure Spy will do what he will do as Admin? [02:03] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> If you do, I do. [02:03] <Gslover1> Yes, he may deserve it, but even if we make three good users Admins now, it won't change things. [02:03] <AG-SYSTEMS> Sometimes people who want to be admin shouldn't be. [02:03] <Legofanyoda1547> I don't think admin should be a reward for him, but like I said, it would greatly benefit the community [02:03] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> *In a way [02:03] <Gslover1> Hello, Melt. [02:03] <MeltE2> Hello. [02:03] <Legofanyoda1547> Spy actually /edits/ [02:03] <Gslover1> Yes, he is a great editor. [02:03] <MeltE2> Spy does deserve admin. [02:03] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Why do you need admin for edits? You can do that as a regular user. [02:03] <Klintran> Spy and Gameking are like the only ones that even try editing atm, and Gameking...well, he isn't the best editor ever. [02:03] <MeltE2> I don't know why he doesn't have it yet. [02:04] <Klintran> (no offense to GK) [02:04] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @klint we can get editors back to work. We just need a new cause for them to work toward. [02:04] <Legofanyoda1547> GK makes vandalism pages every few days, not a good quality for /any/ user right [02:04] <Klintran> Yeah, sadly, I don't see a cause ATM, though. [02:04] <Legofanyoda1547> *every once in a while [02:05] <Klintran> If the community/administrator team would actually attempt a change of the whole wiki in-general then maybe. [02:05] <Klintran> but at it's current state, not really [02:05] <Klintran> AFK now [02:05] <MeltE2> Major changes have not bode well with the community in the past. [02:05] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Why do we keep going back to the admins who refuse to help change the wiki for the better? [02:05] <AG-SYSTEMS> Same with other communities @Melt. [02:05] <LondonDauntlessCorvair963> If people could get rid of the default avvies... That would be great. [02:05] <Gslover1> We do not need major changes in the wiki yet, but we need changes in our editing and personal conduct here. [02:06] <Legofanyoda1547> Default avatars are fine [02:06] <Klintran> back [02:06] <Legofanyoda1547> the Brickimedia default is better though [02:06] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @Melt In mind the changes start step by step, not at one time. [02:06] <MeltE2> Yeah, it is. @LFY [02:06] <Klintran> If Wikia fixes the thumbnail I'll change my avatar [02:06] <Nxtstep101> How are we refusing to change the wiki for better? [02:06] <MeltE2> We aren't. [02:06] <Klintran> Nxt, to say it harsh, you guys do NOTHING. :P [02:07] <Klintran> (but that really speaks for the whole community in general, so nothing against you) [02:07] <Gslover1> They do some things, but it begins we us. We can do more than 20 Admins. [02:07] <Nxtstep101> You just don't see what we are doing atm, but you will soon. :P [02:07] <Klintran> that's always the answer [02:07] <Klintran> "soon" [02:07] <MeltE2> That sounds ominous. [02:07] <AG-SYSTEMS> Soon. (evil) [02:08] <Klintran> ...I've been hearing "soon" for a long time. :-| [02:08] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Klint... NXT what he's trying to say is that Admins, for the past year and a half, haven't done any major changes to help the wiki for the better. ask anyone and they will not give one thing the admin did to help the wiki for the better cause there was none. [02:08] <Klintran> But nothing ever happens [02:08] <MeltE2> Hello, Butler. [02:08] <Gslover1> Weather or not the Admins do some things, we are the central point. We need to work. [02:08] <His Butler, online chatter> Greetings [02:08] <Gslover1> Hello, Butler. [02:08] <Klintran> Exactly, LBB [02:08] <Klintran> [02:08] <His Butler, online chatter> Hello, fine sir [02:08] <Nxtstep101> I wasn't trying to sound ominous, Melt. :P [02:08] <AG-SYSTEMS> @Butler, can I call you Alfred? [02:08] <MeltE2> Do you perchance know Rose? [02:09] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> So far the changes were coding wise. But do we need new coding instead of rebuild the wiki I may ask? [02:09] <MeltE2> Well Nxt, it sounded that way anyway. [02:09] <Legofanyoda1547> the current coding makes the wiki looks awful [02:09] <Legofanyoda1547> no offense intended :) [02:09] <Klintran> Wiki itself &gt; coding skins and stuff [02:09] <Klintran> :P [02:09] <Legofanyoda1547> it just looks like they're trying too hard... [02:10] <His Butler, online chatter> Rose? No maiden by that name but I do trim them in the master's garden [02:10] <Klintran> I like it ATM, but it could have waited. [02:10] <MeltE2> Cute. [02:10] <His Butler, online chatter> Alfred? [02:10] <AG-SYSTEMS> Yes. [02:10] <AG-SYSTEMS> Alfred. [02:10] <Loney 97> Hey everyone o/ [02:10] <Klintran> we could have been doing better things, instead of making a bunch of decorative stuff. [02:10] <Gslover1> Welcome back, Loney. [02:10] <AG-SYSTEMS> Hey Loney. o/ [02:10] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @Gslover May I ask what changes you would like to see happen at LMBW? [02:10] <His Butler, online chatter> Why may I ask? [02:10] <Nxtstep101> Wikia staff removed a lot of our stuff, it makes no sense why it goes against their rules 99% of the time. [02:10] <AG-SYSTEMS> Because Batman has a butler named Alfred. [02:10] <Klintran> Brickimedia, Nxt. brickimedia, [02:10] <MeltE2> Who are you then? Are you from the Message Boards? [02:11] <His Butler, online chatter> I suppose so.. [02:11] <Legofanyoda1547> wikia staff are money-hungry idiots that have nothing better to do than globally block Meiko [02:11] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Let me ask you guys, Does coding make a wiki successful? [02:11] <AG-SYSTEMS> Move the articles to Brickimedia. :P [02:11] <Gslover1> Oh LBB, I am not totally sure as to what would make the best impact here. More editing needs to be done, a better system for rights, things like that. [02:11] <AG-SYSTEMS> Thanks Alfred. c: [02:11] <Klintran> Not as much as improving the wiki itself, LBB [02:11] <Nxtstep101> Not really, LBB. :P [02:11] <AG-SYSTEMS> Maybe people are uneducated about editing. [02:12] <His Butler, online chatter> What are you chaps debating so feverishly over? [02:12] <AG-SYSTEMS> Teach them how to edit. [02:12] <Gslover1> I think I'll just watch for a while. I grow tired and I wish not to say something out of context. [02:12] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> brickimedia may be good for few but some would rather stay on LMBW. And I respect that and Brickimedia users. [02:12] <MeltE2> What makes a wiki, Butler. [02:12] <Aok> Hello :) [02:12] <Aok> [02:12] <Gslover1> So, AFK. [02:12] <MeltE2> Hey Aok. [02:12] <Gslover1> Ping if needed. [02:12] <Aok> Woah, LBB. [02:12] <Aok> Glad to see you here buddy. [02:12] <MeltE2> Welcome to a argument. [02:12] <AG-SYSTEMS> Hey Aok. o/ [02:12] <Aok> Argument over...? [02:12] <Klintran> Not much of an argument anymore, Melt [02:12] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I wasn't glad to be back but glad to see you too. [02:12] <Klintran> Just discussing [02:12] <Klintran> Sorry LBB. :P [02:12] <Aok> Sorry you just had to come. :P [02:13] <Klintran> I made him come, Aok. (MRE) [02:13] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I'm enjoying it in a waynow. [02:13] <MeltE2> LBB expected us to change during his leave, Aok, imagine that! [02:13] <Aok> Yeah, change for the worse. [02:13] <Aok> Duh. [02:13] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I still laugh at those who laugh at help when needed. [02:13] <MeltE2> That we could change! What an idea. [02:13] <Loney 97> *Reading Socially Awkward penguin memes and feeling socially awkward again...* [02:13] <Aok> Well, I'm not laughing at you. [02:14] <Aok> :P [02:14] <MeltE2> I'm not either. [02:14] <His Butler, online chatter> This cookie..it is quite unflattering [02:14] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Not my point exactly Aok. :P [02:14] <Loney 97> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/9199705.jpg [02:14] <Aok> I see. :P [02:14] <MeltE2> Change it then, Butler. [02:14] <Aok> Birdbot got promoted to admin today. [02:14] <His Butler, online chatter> Ah [02:14] <Aok> Then Obi demoted him. [02:14] <His Butler, online chatter> Here we are [02:14] <Loney 97> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/9049824.jpg [02:14] <MeltE2> Much better. [02:14] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I mean I'm laughing at users when in need of help gets it but instead the users refuse the help that they direly need. [02:14] <His Butler, online chatter> Much better [02:15] <Nxtstep101> Um, no he got promoted to CM awhile ago. [02:15] <Aok> I'm sorry, I meant CM. [02:15] <Aok> Not admin. [02:15] <Aok> :P [02:15] <MeltE2> That was ages ago. [02:15] <Aok> I mean, he's a better candidate, honestly, than half of the people who ARE CMs. [02:16] <Aok> He only got demoted recently [02:16] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> just one question. Who is willing to left a hand to help LMBW for the better? [02:16] <MeltE2> If he was ACTIVE. [02:16] <Klintran> &lt; [02:16] <Aok> I am. [02:16] <MeltE2> &lt; [02:16] <Gslover1> I am. [02:16] <Nxtstep101> I am, LBB. [02:16] <MeltE2> I would prefer to kill it, though. [02:16] <Aok> There are currently about 7 people who are actually willing to enforce rules. [02:16] <Klintran> Nxtstep steps up. (spy) [02:16] <Aok> About 4 of them have power of any sort. [02:17] <Klintran> IDK why but that sounded funny before I said it. :I [02:17] <Aok> NXT, you gave in over the whole "I love you" blog post thing. [02:17] <His Butler, online chatter> I have no stand here but I shall raise my hand as well [02:17] <Nxtstep101> If you'd like to here my reasoning then PM me. [02:17] <Aok> LOL no, I agreed with you. [02:17] <Aok> You backed down though :( [02:17] <Aok> You're an ADMIN [02:17] <MeltE2> Yeah, that was sad. [02:18] <Nxtstep101> No, my reason for why I backed down. :P [02:18] <Aok> I mean, you can't let yourself be pushed around. :P [02:18] <MeltE2> But understandable. [02:18] <Aok> Oookay. :P [02:18] <MeltE2> What was it? [02:18] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> If there is to be change at LMBW for the better, when will it happen? [02:18] <Loney 97> I would certainly take a stand for the better if I had any idea how in this situation such a thing could be achieved. [02:18] <AG-SYSTEMS> But the users were trying to change the rules that they thought weren't necessary. [02:18] <Aok> @LBB: Whenever I get promoted to admin. [02:18] <Nxtstep101> Don't worry I wasn't, I don't let what people say affect my motives. :P [02:18] <Aok> The rules need to be changed. [02:18] <Aok> Oh okay NXT. :P [02:18] <Klintran> Aok, get more mainspace first. :P [02:18] <MeltE2> Aok, really.... You think that will solve it? [02:18] <Aok> Either that or whenever SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE... [02:18] <AG-SYSTEMS> Made more strict or lax @Aok? [02:19] <Aok> No, I was just putting me as an example. [02:19] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> The rules could be changed be a regular user. just make your own rule page that everyone agrees with. Even if the admin refuses it. [02:19] <Aok> @LBB: That was attempted. [02:19] <Aok> Admins deleted the post. [02:19] <Aok> @AG: Stricter. At least on trolling and such. [02:19] <Nxtstep101> Wha...? [02:19] <Aok> It was a long time ago NXT&gt; [02:19] <Nxtstep101> Oh, okay :P [02:19] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Delete the post? Post it again! [02:19] <Aok> Wasn't mine. [02:19] <AG-SYSTEMS> *sigh* [02:20] <Aok> Forgot who the user was. [02:20] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Post it till it get's into their mind WE WANT CHANGE [02:20] <Nxtstep101> brb afk [02:20] <Klintran> probably me [02:20] <Aok> @AG: I know... I don't like it either. But we really do have a troll problem here. [02:20] <Loney 97> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/13901443.jpg [02:20] <MeltE2> Think of some specific things you want changed, LBB. [02:20] <Aok> People skirting the rules, trying to tick the admiins off [02:20] <Aok> *CMs [02:20] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> You ain't going to get change if you you get pushed down by the bullie [02:20] <Aok> then, when they get banned, [02:20] <Klintran> (cool) [02:20] <Aok> admins just unban them [02:20] <Aok> Drew is friends with known trolls [02:20] <AG-SYSTEMS> So? Trolls are all around the internet. [02:20] <Aok> he listens to whatever they say. [02:21] <Aok> AG, that's not very good logic. [02:21] <MeltE2> What do you consider "trolling"? [02:21] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> My specifics? Chat rules, rules, CM authority, Chat, Less trouble, Better articles, More social pages... [02:21] <Aok> that's like saying that there are murderers anywhere, why do anything about it? [02:21] <Klintran> Aok, don't let personal grudges get in the way... [02:21] <Aok> @Klin: Twas an example. Other people have been unbanned without a reason given... [02:21] <AG-SYSTEMS> I consider trolling anything that is egging another user in some respect. [02:21] <Aok> BNR. [02:21] <Sadistica> Aok, trolls will be trolls. If we decet some one is trolling(probably cause they are) why not be more strict and ban with no exceptions? [02:22] <Aok> Norvik multiple times. [02:22] <Klintran> Because, no offense intended, you seem to side against the people you've had previous issues with [02:22] <Aok> @Sadistica: Because then they get unbanned, and I get demoted. [02:22] <Aok> Its been done before. [02:22] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I have yet to come up with more @melt [02:22] <Klintran> &lt; [02:22] <Klintran> xD [02:22] <Loney 97> I think that LMBW needs to follow its own rules rather then just having a policy to use the rules of the LMBs. [02:22] <Klintran> Per. [02:22] <Aok> @Klin: There are some users on HERE who I've never had troubles with, and still think abuse the rules too much. [02:22] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Agreed [02:22] <Sadistica> Then it needs to be created into a rule eventually. [02:22] <Aok> Example: Ire. [02:22] <MeltE2> *Purrs* [02:22] <Aok> Though he''s apparetly reformed now [02:22] <MeltE2> Yeah... [02:22] <MeltE2> We [02:23] <Klintran> IDK, he hasn't seemed to change much [02:23] <Sadistica> I'm very confused when there are rules that aren't on the list. [02:23] <Aok> Also, MC. [02:23] <MeltE2> *We'll see how that goes. [02:23] <Aok> MC has broken so many rules, its not even funny. [02:23] <Klintran> Ikr. [02:23] <MeltE2> I'm never on when MC is, so I don't know much about him. [02:23] <Aok> Alcohol, sex references, bullying [02:23] <Aok> I've seen him do it all. [02:23] <Klintran> Banning people for personal issues [02:23] <Aok> He's a CM for goodness sakes [02:23] <Loney 97> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/9052691.jpg [02:23] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Rules that never where on the rules page are madeup by admins. Then they post it on saying it was true. [02:23] <Aok> But you can't help but like him [02:24] <Aok> and the admins just turn a blind eye [02:24] <AG-SYSTEMS> You know what I dislike? How the admins say that you can break the rules in PM. If both users agree with something, why can't they do it between themselves. [02:24] <Loney 97> That's because they are in the LMB rules, LBB. [02:24] <Loney 97> I recently realized that. [02:24] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Not some of them. [02:24] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I gtg