Board Thread:Community Discussions/@comment-5374144-20161222055559/@comment-5510093-20161230231019

Keplers wrote: @Loney's insistence that the boundaries are easy to know:

Currently, no, they're not. Supposedly mentioning hateful regimes and their leaders in any context outside of serious, historical discussion is disallowed, unless it's Fort and Kira calling each other "Hitler" for twenty minutes before I finally complain about how skewed that is. The "boundaries" are in no way clear, and to be perfectly honest it appears very targeted against Ulrich, Sat, Brick, and myself (the four most outspoken libertarians on the chat -- who also know the most about WWII and talk about it often), with extra emphasis on "chat mods" who are most certainly Rom and Slice, our closest friends in the CM team. Alright, so let's say we do implement this plan. It takes months and months of hard work, arguing about what the definition of offensive is and putting in rules about how many people have to agree that something is offensive before it is - and finally we have a full, huge list of everything you are not allowed to ever say on LMBW. What happens? There will always be something more to vote on, always a new loophole to close up. Maybe I'm not allowed to say I hate jews but does making a joke about showers in Auschwitz count as that? Does jokingly pretending my friend is gay count? lol i don't know. There is no such thing as a complete list of what is offensive, and to try and create something like that is inevitably ridiculous. It turns out to be a "I know it when I see it" kind of thing, it doesn't work.

Along with that, we'll be further teaching our CMs to moderate from a list. This is very counter-intuitive as it eliminates the need for a personal discretion. Personal discretion is important because every case is different, we aren't robots here. That's why something liking jokingly calling someone Hitler as Kira and Fort maybe were doing and as has always happened on this wiki (how many jokes have been made about Alemas being Hitler over the past 5 years) can be treated differently than saying Hitler was right or making fun of concentration camps or something like that. Of course I'd prefer it if that didn't happen here at all, I don't think it's right to joke or make fun of a personal tragedy that millions of people went through, but I understand that other people think otherwise. We're just trying to set a middle-ground here.