User:BraveNewRoyalty/Chat/Logs/30 November 2017

 [12:07]  dead [12:07]  so dead [12:07]  it's all ale's fault [12:07]  it is [12:19]  Oh the Welcome message is back to normal [12:26]  good :P [12:27]  Did Rio change it back in his last move or something? :P [12:28]  was probably ap [01:21]  why is trump tweeting all day? [01:22]  all his golf buddies working today? [01:23]  \o [01:23]  He doesn't want us to see his tax plan [01:23]  Oh hello [01:23]  how goes things in this hell hole [01:23]  I heard ale bounced [01:24] <Game Wolf> I wonder how long until this place is 100% dead [01:24] <Game Wolf> instead of just struggling along on life support [01:24] <Roddy15> the tax plan is really great though, believe me it's a great big beautiful present, to you the corpor....the people of America! [01:25] <Game Wolf> isn’t America wonderful [01:25] <Roddy15> i'm happy in Europe [01:25] <Game Wolf> bah [01:25] <Game Wolf> america isn’t so bad [01:26] <Roddy15> I'll take a country without potential for utter monopolies in the internet market [01:26] <Game Wolf> We have laws against such things [01:27] <We Are Fire> not for long (cool) [01:27] <Game Wolf> I mean laws besides net neutrality [01:27] <Roddy15> What Comcast, Time Warner have been pushing for, they wouldn't dream of asking Europe for the same. [01:27] <Game Wolf> laws against monopolies [01:28] <Roddy15> everywhere has laws against monopolies but US media is the hands of a few corporations, that might as well be a monopoly [01:29] <Roddy15> on a global level the internet has ended up the same, Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. control most of it [01:30] <Roddy15> not all of Europe is perfect in regards to these things though [01:30] <Game Wolf> Nowhere is perfect. [01:31] <Roddy15> The issue is people should look at mistakes and learn from them not try to dive in with them [01:31] <Game Wolf> Well, you know what they say about history [01:32] <Roddy15> Portugal is the perfect example of a place without things like net neutrality http://www.trbimg.com/img-5a1c50e0/turbine/la-1511805148-mf4uf4ev7n-snap-image/ [01:32] <Roddy15> Data plans for your "needs" [01:33] <Roddy15> Oh dear you have social but are using Netflix???? :P [01:33] <Game Wolf> Fun [01:34] <Roddy15> What has always been my biggest gripe with people who are fine with scrapping all this is, do you really think the companies are going to "innovate".... [01:34] <We Are Fire> portugal is in the eu [01:35] <Roddy15> Exactly, EU sadly isn't all that powerful when push comes to shove sometimes [01:35] <We Are Fire> &gt;But based on Meo’s website, this doesn’t look like buying cable channels for the internet. It’s an add-on to general-purpose mobile subscriptions, which let you access any service — including the ones above. The idea is apparently that if you’re into apps like Snapchat and Facebook (or... LinkedIn, I guess), you pay around $8 a month to specifically get more “Social” data, so you can use your regular allotment for everything else. [01:35] <We Are Fire> thats not a net neutrality issue [01:37] <Roddy15> well for the EU it is [01:37] <Roddy15> since it's an exploit of a loophole in EU net neutrality rules [01:38] <We Are Fire> is it? [01:38] <Roddy15> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/10/closing-loopholes-europes-net-neutrality-compromise [01:38] <Roddy15> "These arrangements are allowed under provisions giving national regulators some flexibility. These regulators can open loopholes permitting “zero-rating,” through which ISPs can exclude certain services from data caps. That’s what the Portuguese and British ISPs essentially are doing." [01:39] <We Are Fire> that makes sense [01:41] <Roddy15> i mean the loopholes aren't nearly as bad as total repeal of the US law [01:41] <Roddy15> since you would assume abusive use of loopholes would be eventually cracked down on by the EU [01:42] <We Are Fire> eventually [01:42] <Roddy15> took them a while with the loopholes Ireland was letting companies like Apple use for corporation tax but eventually they should punish abuse of it :P [01:43] <Roddy15> \o [01:44] <Roddy15> that's actually another thing i can never understand, why are people happy about corporate tax cuts? [01:44] <Roddy15> it will trickle down of course...