LEGO Message Boards Wiki:Chat/Logs/31 May 2015

 [06:34]  Sorry about that Carol [06:35]  man, i have nothing to do. [06:35]  Guac,have you listened to Boards of Canada? [06:35]  Mad o/ [06:35]  and I don;t think that staying here is the most constructive thing for my life... [06:35]  o/ [06:35]  You may or may not like it [06:35]  so I'm considering leaving. [06:35]  *them [06:36]  Well if you do leave,be sure to say hi once in a while. :) [06:36]  Hi [06:36]  O/ [06:36]  ? [06:36]  o/ [06:36]  @RusMan: I might... [06:36] <Avalair> (sin) Sam Sinister (sin) [06:37] <Avalair> ? [06:37] <Admiral Broadside> According to my message wall [06:37] <Avalair> Mhm [06:37] <Avalair> Who are you on the MBs [06:37] <Admiral Broadside> But I have a lot of messages from whatever [06:37] <AmazingPythor> He joined in 2012 ava [06:37] <AmazingPythor> :{P [06:37] <Avalair> Hello Slicer [06:37] <RusMan> So Broad,are you on the LMBs? [06:37] <Slicer Vorzakh> Hey [06:37] <AmazingPythor> is [06:37] <AmazingPythor> for [06:37] <AmazingPythor> horses [06:38] <RusMan> Sannse Vorkzah o/ [06:38] <RusMan> (Troll) [06:38] <Admiral Broadside> I'm not on the message boards [06:38] <AmazingPythor> wb [06:38] <Admiral Broadside> I mean I have an account on LEGO.com but I don't use the boards [06:38] <RusMan> Guac,did your internet cut out again? :p [06:38] <RusMan> Oh ok,was just wondering. [06:40] <GuacamoleCCXR> yeah [06:41] <CarolineAmanda1476> I just finished chapter 1... [06:42] <CarolineAmanda1476> looking good so far... [06:42] <RusMan> Cool [06:43] <CarolineAmanda1476> I'll start chapter 2 tomorrow... [06:43] <AmazingPythor> luke pm [06:43] <AmazingPythor> o/ [06:43] <Romaniandude12> Bai (Derp) [06:44] <CarolineAmanda1476> hi [06:44] <AmazingPythor> ... :{P [06:44] <Romaniandude12> :{p [06:44] <RusMan> I've basically gotten to the point of laziness where I'm too lazy to read... (:|) [06:44] <Kira26> Rus you need a doctor [06:44] <RusMan> Except for school. [06:44] <Kira26> ^^ [06:45] <Romaniandude12> I'm too lazy to read =) [06:46] <Romaniandude12> It takes effort to read all what you guys say (derp2) [06:46] <Kira26> (:|) [06:46] <CarolineAmanda1476> if you get too lazy to read you are on the verge of getting too lazy to breath. [06:46] <Romaniandude12> (Derp2) [06:47] <Romaniandude12> I'm Jk..... (Derp) [06:47] <CarolineAmanda1476> oh, ha...ha...ha... [06:47] <CarolineAmanda1476> do I look amused? [06:47] <Romaniandude12> Idk. I can't see ur face [06:47] <Romaniandude12> =) [06:47] <Avalair> Hi Kira [06:47] <CarolineAmanda1476> and you wont. [06:48] <Romaniandude12> Kden. Did [06:48] <Kira26> Hey... Ava.. (:|) [06:48] <Avalair> If you were in a gang, what would the gang be called [06:48] <Romaniandude12> *Idc [06:48] <Kira26> "TheAntiAva's" [06:48] <Avalair> nooooo [06:48] <Avalair> ur so mean to me ;-; [06:48] <Romaniandude12> No u [06:48] <Kira26> (troll) [06:48] <Avalair> I apoligized [06:48] <Avalair> ;-; [06:48] <CarolineAmanda1476> I'm considering leaving permanently anyway... [06:48] <Avalair> Why, Caroline? [06:49] <CarolineAmanda1476> because... [06:49] <CarolineAmanda1476> I come here, a wiki for a kids site... [06:49] <Romaniandude12> H [06:49] <Avalair> Yeah, it is quite ashame [06:49] <Avalair> All the old users think this place is their stupid hang out [06:49] <Avalair> well it isnt [06:49] <Madkatmaximus> lol [06:49] <Avalair> And they need to think otherwise [06:49] <CarolineAmanda1476> and all I see are arguments, innuendo and more things that are inappropriate for kids... [06:49] <Avalair> Yeah [06:49] <Avalair> Maybe one day we will change [06:49] <CarolineAmanda1476> and the mod staff does nothing about it. [06:50] <Avalair> We cant because that crap is generally allowed here [06:50] <Madkatmaximus> innuendo isn't allowed [06:50] <Kira26> I give free hugs, i cant get more child friendly... [06:50] <CarolineAmanda1476> another reason to leave forever. [06:50] <Kira26> *remembers making innuendo yesterday* maybe [06:50] <Avalair> Well the innuendo we have put a stop to [06:50] <Avalair> Mostly [06:50] <Madkatmaximus> /we do/ [06:50] <Avalair> Kira (yk) [06:50] <Kira26> :P one time ok [06:50] <Kira26> One time [06:51] <CarolineAmanda1476> the rules are too strict in some arias and too light is others. [06:51] <TheShadowAssassin> Caroline, if you see somebody disobeying, please report them. [06:51] <Avalair> But maybe one day this place will actually be aimed at the LMB audience [06:51] <CarolineAmanda1476> "one day" [06:51] <Avalair> Im sorry, we cant just change [06:51] <Avalair> Lots of people dont want to [06:51] <CarolineAmanda1476> why not "today"? things never change unless you change them now. [06:51] <Avalair> And thats selfish IMO [06:51] <TheShadowAssassin> It was at one point, then people decided we needed to be more lenient. [06:52] <Kira26> Caroline, they are saying "one day" because things like this dont change over night [06:52] <Avalair> They can go to "Retired LMBers who want to talk about dumb things wiki" [06:52] <Avalair> No offense to you guys [06:52] <Avalair> Some of you are good [06:52] <Kira26> Hehehe [06:52] <Avalair> NOT YOU SHAK [06:52] <Avalair> ;-; [06:52] <Avalair> He broke up with me in PM [06:52] <Kira26> You scared her away 3: [06:52] <Avalair> He is a guy [06:52] <Kira26> Wait shakria is a guy? [06:52] <Avalair> Yes [06:52] <Kira26> Shoot [06:53] <Avalair> He has an unhealthy obsession with pop singers [06:53] <Kira26> Shoooot [06:53] <Kira26> xD [06:53] <Avalair> xD [06:53] <Kira26> That clears up a lot xD [06:53] <Avalair> And.... [06:53] <Avalair> Other things [06:53] <Avalair> Which is why he normally stays in PM (Derp) [06:53] <Kira26> o.o [06:53] <Kira26> And you think we are the ones who have problems with being child friendly [06:53] <Avalair> ikr [06:53] <CarolineAmanda1476> so yeah, with the bad management here (no offence) I'm seriously considering leaving. [06:53] <Avalair> at least he stays in PM though [06:54] <Kira26> Yes xD [06:54] <Avalair> Yeah Caroline, this place's staff argues alot [06:54] <Avalair> We have a hard time making decisions [06:54] <Avalair> And even when you think decisions are made, they really arent [06:54] <Avalair> People still arent happy [06:54] <TheShadowAssassin> Like I said, Caroline, please feel free to report any situations that make you upset or otherwise uncomfortable. [06:55] <Avalair> Thread:221455 &lt;--- A good example [06:55] <Slicer Vorzakh> Although this place would be a lot worse if all the staff had the same opinions, especially if they weren't the same as the communities [06:55] <Admiral Broadside> Hm [06:55] <Luke McSwagger99> this wiki can be summarized by that fact that you can't please everbody [06:55] <Luke McSwagger99> everybody * [06:55] <Avalair> That thread is a perfect example that even when decisions are made, and the /community/ decides [06:55] <Kira26> If this wiki was perfect and everyone always followed the rules it wouldnt be as fun imo. I mean, Ed for example, brings much entertainment to me [06:55] <Admiral Broadside> A 20-17 vote doesn't seem like it reached consensus if you ask me [06:56] <Avalair> Admiral, we did wait quite a while to close the vote [06:56] <Avalair> There was no one else to vote [06:56] <Admiral Broadside> Ah [06:56] <Avalair> Kira, the last thing Ed did was not good at all [06:57] <Kira26> Ik ik [06:57] <Avalair> And no one should encourage it [06:57] <Madkatmaximus> ava, yes the community deiced, but then right after that we got clear proof as to why it was a problematic rule and why it should be removed [06:57] <Madkatmaximus> and I'm against revotes, so Fort opened up a discussion thread instead [06:57] <Madkatmaximus> when something turns out problematic, you discuss it again, you don't just leave it [06:57] <Madkatmaximus> so idk why that's a bad thing [06:57] <Kira26> Im not saying we should do... whatever ed does... [06:57] <Avalair> I dont even see how its problematic [06:57] <Kira26> Just saying.. If we were all perfs... it would be lame [06:57] <Avalair> Because Wolfy couldnt follow rules? [06:57] <Admiral Broadside> Ed? [06:57] <Luke McSwagger99> Kira while Ed can be amusing at times, he is certainly not one to be encouraged [06:57] <Kira26> I know gosh xD [06:57] <CarolineAmanda1476> I have to go now. [06:57] <Luke McSwagger99> By Caro [06:57] <Luke McSwagger99> Bye * [06:58] <CarolineAmanda1476> not forever... yet... [06:58] <Admiral Broadside> Bye [06:58] <Kira26> (sniffle) [06:58] <Luke McSwagger99> gosh my typing sucks this morning [06:58] <RusMan> Aww Cya later o/ [06:58] <Avalair> I mean when you think about it, the only people getting Gblocked are trolls [06:58] <TheShadowAssassin> Bye Caroline. o/ [06:58] <Kira26> No kidding [06:58] <Avalair> And do we want trolls here? [06:58] <Madkatmaximus> Wolf, div, and klint were all banned for incredibly ridiculous reasons [06:58] <Madkatmaximus> while div and wolf should have known better than to say what they did, staff is at fault for not unblocking them sooner [06:58] <Avalair> No matter how dumb the reasons are, they are still trolls [06:58] <Slicer Vorzakh> No, they're outsyanding members of the community :-) [06:58] <Admiral Broadside> I don't mind trolls unless they're counterproductive [06:58] <Admiral Broadside> Vandals, etc. [06:58] <Madkatmaximus> and once again: gblocked users are not the responsibility of individual wikis [06:58] <Luke McSwagger99> heh [06:58] <Avalair> Unless we vote on it and decide that they are [06:59] <Madkatmaximus> @ava that doesn't excuse it [06:59] <NintendoOverload> why would you want more responsibility [06:59] <Luke McSwagger99> "Ok local police so we have a foreign terrorist in the local grocery store....however that is not for us local authorities so solve so go back to your families and we'll just wait for the National Guard :) " [06:59] <Avalair> "Responsibility" [06:59] <Slicer Vorzakh> Per Luke [06:59] <Slicer Vorzakh> I was gonna bring up a police example actually :p [06:59] <Madkatmaximus> Luke, that's a very poor comparison [07:00] <Avalair> Why would we want a gblocked user [07:00] <Admiral Broadside> That is a bad example [07:00] <NintendoOverload> they might not have done anything wrong [07:00] <Madkatmaximus> Ava, how would you feel if you got gblocked due to a mistake [07:00] <Admiral Broadside> Avalair the user could have been global blocked for an invalid reason [07:00] <Madkatmaximus> and per nintendo [07:00] <TheShadowAssassin> Welocme back Guac. o/ [07:00] <Admiral Broadside> As stated by the discussion [07:00] <TheShadowAssassin> *Welcome [07:00] <Admiral Broadside> Nintendo is right [07:00] <Avalair> But we have never had a user getting gblocked for an invalid reason [07:00] <Madkatmaximus> this isn't anything like a police situation [07:00] <Madkatmaximus> ava [07:00] <Madkatmaximus> klint [07:01] <NintendoOverload> you dont know that [07:01] <Luke McSwagger99> I agree that Wolfy's gblock was most likely a mistake [07:01] <Avalair> How was his block invalid [07:01] <Slicer Vorzakh> I would call for an appeal like div and wolf [07:01] <NintendoOverload> do you know the exact reason why everyone was blocked [07:01] <Luke McSwagger99> But we shouldn't be harboring gblocked users despite the case [07:01] <Slicer Vorzakh> I'd respect the policy [07:01] <TheShadowAssassin> Per Luke. [07:01] <Slicer Vorzakh> There are plenty of other ways I can enternan myself [07:01] <TheShadowAssassin> If they feel they were wrongly blocked, request an appeal. [07:01] <Avalair> And has a productive user who isnt a troll ever been gblocked [07:01] <Madkatmaximus> Klint was blocked for having meiko as an avatar [07:01] <Madkatmaximus> which they assumed meant he was associated with meiko, and they don't even like each other [07:01] <Avalair> Dont think so [07:01] <Madkatmaximus> explain to me how that was valid please [07:01] <Luke McSwagger99> Besides, its not up to us locals to determine whether a gblocked user's case is valid or not, right? :) [07:01] <TheShadowAssassin> Once the appeal is sent through and accepted, then we can refrain from banning them. [07:01] <Slicer Vorzakh> Didn't the CU say he was like 5 other people [07:01] <Slicer Vorzakh> Including you [07:02] <NintendoOverload> why would you go out of the way to ban them though when youre not the ones who banned them in the first place [07:02] <Slicer Vorzakh> That's what I heard from him [07:02] <Madkatmaximus> And that's the other thing, just because you gblocked users shouldn't be our responsibility does not mean we're harboring them [07:02] <Madkatmaximus> if someone is gblocked, feel free to report them [07:02] <Madkatmaximus> Yes Slice and then that turned out to not be the actual reason [07:02] <Luke McSwagger99> &gt;repot them [07:02] <Avalair> But why would we want a gblocked user here? [07:02] <Luke McSwagger99> report [07:02] <Luke McSwagger99> gahhh [07:03] <Madkatmaximus> Ava, read what I just said [07:03] <Madkatmaximus> it doesn't mean we want them [07:03] <Slicer Vorzakh> Cause productivity Ava (derp) [07:03] <Avalair> Reporting takes too long [07:03] <Madkatmaximus> it just means that you should take it up with staff [07:03] <Admiral Broadside> Reporting doesn't take long [07:03] <Madkatmaximus> ^ [07:03] <NintendoOverload> well if you care that much then you can wait no? [07:03] <Avalair> Yes it does [07:03] <Admiral Broadside> You only have to go to Special:Contact [07:03] <Madkatmaximus> And that's a very poor excuse [07:03] <Admiral Broadside> How does it take long? [07:03] <Avalair> A friend of mine reported a gblocked user and I believe it took 3 days [07:03] <Admiral Broadside> That's the poorest excuse for not doing anything [07:03] <NintendoOverload> how long does it say it will take [07:03] <Slicer Vorzakh> You'd have to get all the proper evidence and staff might not always believe you [07:04] <Admiral Broadside> So you mean that the response takes a long time? [07:04] <Avalair> But whats your excuse for /having them here/ [07:04] <Slicer Vorzakh> Me? [07:04] <Madkatmaximus> Ava, I literally just said that we don't want them here [07:04] <Avalair> Then why cant we ban them [07:04] <Madkatmaximus> because it shouldn't be our responsibility [07:04] <Admiral Broadside> Why would you ban them but not block them lol [07:04] <Madkatmaximus> and once again, because many people are gblocked for ridiculous and unfair reasons [07:04] <NintendoOverload> well if you didnt ban them originally then youre technically banning them for no reason [07:05] <Madkatmaximus> ^ [07:05] <Avalair> Because the admins dont agree so they dont follow rules like babies [07:05] <Avalair> They are supposed to be blocked [07:05] <Admiral Broadside> I mean it's kinda hypocritical to do one or the other, but that's none of my business. [07:05] <Avalair> They should be blocked [07:05] <Avalair> IDK why the admins dont [07:05] <NintendoOverload> then leave that up to the person who banned them [07:05] <Madkatmaximus> what admins don't follow rules...? [07:05] <Slicer Vorzakh> Hahahahahahahha [07:05] <Madkatmaximus> and "like babies" isn't the most mature term to be using in a discussion like this [07:05] <TheShadowAssassin> So I just noticed that Wolf got banned for trolling.. again. Hmm. (thinking) [07:06] <Admiral Broadside> I doubt that any administrator that wasn't following policies would be an administrator still lol [07:06] <Avalair> Its also mature for an admin to not follow rules because they dont agree [07:06] <Avalair> because LMBW logic [07:06] <Admiral Broadside> Wolf as in the user that got global blocked/ [07:06] <Admiral Broadside> *? [07:06] <Madkatmaximus> Ava, none of the admins ignore rules because they disagree [07:06] <Madkatmaximus> I'm not sure why you're saying this [07:06] <Avalair> What about Melt [07:06] <Slicer Vorzakh> I could say why you do but no one would likely believe me [07:06] <Madkatmaximus> What did Melt do [07:06] <TheShadowAssassin> Yeah Admiral [07:06] <Avalair> The other day when Wolf was on and Gblocked Melt would not ban him [07:06] <Admiral Broadside> Ah, nice [07:07] <Avalair> Apple and I were the only people out of 3 other mods and 1 admin to care [07:07] <Madkatmaximus> if you want to get technical, the common sense policy would allow them anyway, which is another reason that rule was problematic [07:07] <Dwarfminefan580> Hey [07:07] <TheShadowAssassin> Hey Dwarfy! o/ [07:07] <Avalair> Well it isnt common sense if it isnt common [07:07] <Madkatmaximus> Common sense should say that if someone was globally blocked for a silly reason, we shouldn't ban them for no reason here [07:08] <Madkatmaximus> That doesn't excuse ignoring it, Ava [07:08] <Avalair> Because common sense should tell them to follow rules and not be on chat [07:08] <Avalair> and actually /follow the rules/ [07:08] <Admiral Broadside> Do you know the definition of common sense? [07:08] <Dwarfminefan580> Omg ShermanTheMythran was on! :P [07:08] <Luke McSwagger99> Madkat your own logic backfires on itself in that it shouldn't be up to the local authorities to determine whether global-level discipline is fair or not. [07:08] <Admiral Broadside> Hi Dwarfmine :) [07:08] <Dwarfminefan580> Hello :) [07:09] <Avalair> Why do the mods have to be the only ones to use common sense [07:09] <Avalair> why cant everyone [07:09] <Madkatmaximus> @Luke no, because again it's a common sense thing [07:09] <Madkatmaximus> Ava, who said only mods use common sense...? [07:09] <Luke McSwagger99> How so [07:09] <Avalair> Because Wolfy coming on chat while he is gblocked is not common sense [07:09] <Luke McSwagger99> ^ [07:10] <Avalair> In fact, coming on chat when you know you are not allowed on is the opposite of common sense [07:10] <Madkatmaximus> @Luke I was talking about in the context of having the rule of blocking gblocked users, otherwise common sense in this case is irrelevant, so that doesn't backfire [07:10] <Avalair> And then wolf decides to swear at me [07:10] <Avalair> Like [07:10] <Avalair> Really? [07:10] <Avalair> And once again, Apple and I were the only ones who cared [07:11] <Luke McSwagger99> I'm sure quite a few of the community members would agree with Apple and Ava [07:11] <Avalair> Have you ever thought why is Ava getting all the messages of hate on his wall by trolls and people he bans [07:11] <Avalair> Maybe because Ava does his job [07:12] <Luke McSwagger99> nu ave dos bade job dmote ave 2k15 [07:12] <Avalair> And I am not trying to sound arrogant, but when I get a hate message on my wall about a ban, it makes me feel like I am actually doing my job [07:12] <Admiral Broadside> If you get so many negative messages maybe you're doing something wrong [07:12] <Luke McSwagger99> Admiral, maybe people don't like discipline. [07:12] <TheShadowAssassin> Negative messages from trolls, mind you [07:12] <Avalair> Or maybe I am doing everything right [07:12] <Slicer Vorzakh> Kind of like criminals saying screw the police to only those who try to impose punishment on then [07:12] <Avalair> Per Apple [07:12] <Slicer Vorzakh> For their crimes [07:12] <Slicer Vorzakh> @ admiral [07:12] <Avalair> See, I actually dont like the trolls, and I wont take any of their crap [07:12] <Luke McSwagger99> Per Slice [07:13] <Luke McSwagger99> The thing is, Ava doesn't attempt to compromise with those whose only intent is to troll [07:13] <Madkatmaximus> negative comments on a wall is not indicative of good moderating [07:13] <Madkatmaximus> not saying you're doing bad at all, but that doesn't mean anything [07:13] <Avalair> ^ [07:13] <Avalair> *Per Luke [07:13] <Avalair> Have you read the negative comments on my wall? [07:13] <Madkatmaximus> yes, I have [07:13] <Luke McSwagger99> Ava actually does what is best for the community in attempting to stamp out trolling and disruption [07:13] <Avalair> They are all for silly things [07:13] <Avalair> Trolls getting upset at me for banning them [07:14] <Madkatmaximus> @Luke, most all mods do that [07:14] <Avalair> LOL [07:14] <Avalair> Thats bull crap [07:14] <Luke McSwagger99> (pfftch) [07:14] <Admiral Broadside>. [07:14] <Admiral Broadside> Be right back [07:14] <Luke McSwagger99> &gt;most all mods [07:14] <Luke McSwagger99> [07:14] <Luke McSwagger99> thats going into Ale's grammar blog (derp) [07:14] <Madkatmaximus> Explain how, exactly [07:14] <Slicer Vorzakh> Test [07:14] <Slicer Vorzakh> Did chat just crash [07:14] <Madkatmaximus> no [07:15] <Slicer Vorzakh> Bah [07:15] <TheShadowAssassin> Chat crashed for me... [07:15] <Avalair> When trolls are on, mods just watch them and let them disrupt and make subtle inapropriate remarks and what-not [07:15] <Avalair> And I think they are scared to do anything because of how this community responds to things [07:15] <Madkatmaximus> And why do you never report this to other mods while this is happening instead of complaining about it later? [07:15] <Avalair> Actually, I have talked to another mod who has told me they are scared and dont know what to do [07:16] <Avalair> Why report them when I can ban them for myself [07:16] <Madkatmaximus> And if they're scared to do anything, they shouldn't be mods [07:16] <Madkatmaximus> I'm talking about talking to mods that seem to not do their job [07:16] <Avalair> Or maybe they need to use common sense [07:16] <TheShadowAssassin> Well if they do do somethign they probably won't be mods for long anyway, since the community backlash will probably get them demoted. :D [07:16] <Slicer Vorzakh> If they ever ban someone "important" then a knee regulation has to be pit in protecting then [07:16] <TheShadowAssassin> *something [07:16] <Avalair> Whenever they do something they should excuse it with common sense [07:16] <Slicer Vorzakh> * new, them [07:17] <Avalair> because that is what all mods do now [07:17] <Madkatmaximus> um no [07:17] <Avalair> Per Apple [07:17] <Madkatmaximus> the common sense policy is not something everyone can use as an excuse to get away with whatever they want [07:17] <Slicer Vorzakh> Hahahahahahaha [07:17] <Avalair> It seems like thats what everyone does now [07:17] <Madkatmaximus> @Apple it depends on the situation [07:17] <Luke McSwagger99> (pfftch) [07:17] <Madkatmaximus> Ava, please give examples [07:18] <Madkatmaximus> because I see everyone complaining about common sense and then never actually saying /why/ [07:18] <TheShadowAssassin> Hi Marc. o/ [07:18] <Avalair> Obi has told me that common sense should keep you from banning/kicking [07:18] <Marcel77799> Wont stay long [07:18] <Avalair> I have seen people loving common sense but never explaining why [07:18] <Madkatmaximus> that's because in a lot of cases kicking and banning isn't necessary [07:18] <Marcel77799> Per Kat [07:18] <Madkatmaximus> Ava, I have explained why many times in the past [07:18] <NintendoOverload> why would you need a reason for supporting common sense [07:18] <Marcel77799> Its not all about that [07:18] <NintendoOverload> its common sense [07:18] <Madkatmaximus> Per nintendo haha [07:18] <Avalair> But it isnt common [07:18] <Slicer Vorzakh> Since when was common sense more important the the rules set in? [07:19] <Avalair> Because of the "Ignore all rules" rule :O [07:19] <NintendoOverload> it always should be [07:19] <Slicer Vorzakh> Broken record sounding, but following the rule sis common sense [07:19] <Avalair> Hello Han [07:19] <TheShadowAssassin> Hi Han. o/ [07:19] <Marcel77799> It should be common though xD [07:19] <Madkatmaximus> Common sense should /always/ be more important than the rules [07:19] <Luke McSwagger99> Hi Han! [07:19] <Slicer Vorzakh> Why? [07:19] <Avalair> Why do we need a rule to use common sense then? [07:19] <General-Han> Oh, uhm, hi. [07:19] <TheShadowAssassin> Common sense is subjective though. [07:19] <Avalair> ^ [07:19] <Luke McSwagger99> han pm? [07:19] <Marcel77799> Well, common sense and the rules arent always in conflict anyway [07:20] <Madkatmaximus> Common sense should not be subjective in moderating cases [07:20] <Avalair> Like I said, it isnt common sense if it isnt common [07:20] <General-Han> I guess so... [07:20] <Slicer Vorzakh> I'm sure all of definitions of common sense varies in some ways [07:20] <Slicer Vorzakh> Were talking about the tines they are, Marc [07:20] <Slicer Vorzakh> They are many tines [07:20] <Slicer Vorzakh> And every mod is different, mad [07:20] <Marcel77799> Nahh :P [07:20] <Madkatmaximus> I'm aware of that [07:20] <Slicer Vorzakh> Nahh? [07:20] <Madkatmaximus> But they should be able to tell what's disruptive and what isn't [07:20] <Marcel77799> Usually the mods manage to agree anyway [07:21] <Marcel77799> BBL [07:21] <Slicer Vorzakh> Hahahahha [07:21] <TheShadowAssassin> Wolf is disruptive. :P [07:21] <Slicer Vorzakh> Where have you been [07:21] <TheShadowAssassin> Bye Marc. o/ [07:21] <Madkatmaximus> if it's causing disruption in chat, then put a stop to it. if it isn't, then don't bother [07:21] <Madkatmaximus> Yes he is, Apple, which is why he was banned [07:21] <Nightfall395> per slicer so much [07:21] <Slicer Vorzakh> Who does tell then? [07:21] <Madkatmaximus> what [07:21] <General-Han> Nice avie, Ava. [07:21] <Avalair> Mad when would this come in handy [07:21] <Slicer Vorzakh> Who does tell what is disruption? [07:21] <Avalair> Thanks Han [07:21] <Avalair> I mean, when would this happen [07:21] <General-Han> Mhm. (: [07:21] <Avalair> When would someone breaking rules not disrupt chat [07:22] <Slicer Vorzakh> Of the mods don't who does? [07:22] <Slicer Vorzakh> If [07:22] <Avalair> And honestly, when someone breaks a rule, it bothers me [07:22] <Madkatmaximus> Slicer, anyone can tell what's causing disruption whether they have common sense or not [07:22] <Madkatmaximus> if it's causing people to get upset or in any way react negatively, then it's causing disruption [07:22] <TheShadowAssassin> One user finds it disruptive, the other finds it hilarious. [07:22] <Avalair> ^ [07:22] <Avalair> And what if the one user isnt a mod [07:22] <Slicer Vorzakh> But when only the mods are upset about it personally it doesn't seem to matter [07:22] <Luke McSwagger99> A globally blocked user being allowed on chat goes to imply weak authority to the users on chat [07:22] <Avalair> They cant do anything and would feel bad speaking out [07:23] <Madkatmaximus> then the one that finds it hilarious is in the wrong [07:23] <Madkatmaximus> once again, anyway can tell what's causing disruption and what isn't [07:23] <Avalair> Mad like when a user who uses innuendo and everyone finds it hillarious except one person [07:23] <Avalair> And it doesnt disrupt chat [07:23] <Avalair> And the person reports it to a mod [07:23] <Avalair> What does the mod do!? [07:23] <Madkatmaximus> if one person is bothered, that's enough [07:23] <Slicer Vorzakh> I've sewn cases when it took nearly the entire chat for a mod to take action [07:23] <Avalair> ^ [07:24] <Luke McSwagger99> Yep [07:24] <Madkatmaximus> and that's disruption... [07:24] <Slicer Vorzakh> The people being upset? [07:24] <Avalair> But how is it disruption if everyone finds it funny besdes one user and the user doesnt speak out [07:24] <Avalair> They privately report it to a mo [07:24] <Madkatmaximus> yes [07:24] <Madkatmaximus> @slicer [07:24] <Avalair> What is common sense in that casE?! [07:24] <Madkatmaximus> if the mod isn't doing anything, the mod is at fault for not putting a stop to it. [07:24] <Avalair> If the mod does something, they will get attacked for not using common sense [07:25] <Slicer Vorzakh> Except the mod in this case has nearly the same opinions you do [07:25] <NintendoOverload> they can deal with it [07:25] <Slicer Vorzakh> No Nintendo [07:25] <Avalair> And then when they ban the person, they get a hate message on their wall [07:25] <Slicer Vorzakh> Not the way to rhjink of these things [07:25] <Slicer Vorzakh> * think [07:25] <Avalair> And everyone is saying they are a terrible mod and they need to learn common sense [07:25] <Admiral Broadside> Lol [07:25] <Madkatmaximus> That would be disruptive if the user was uncomfortable by what was going on, and they should report it. And if the mods is attacked, that's ganging up on them which is not allowed [07:25] <NintendoOverload> if its offending one person then its causing disruption [07:25] <NintendoOverload> who cares if some people dont like that [07:26] <Avalair> What if the /mod/ is bothered and no one else is [07:26] <Madkatmaximus> * mod [07:26] <Avalair> what is common sense then? [07:26] <Slicer Vorzakh> But doesn't the community have the best opinion? [07:26] <Madkatmaximus> then they an still step in [07:26] <Slicer Vorzakh> Isn't there opinion just as food as the mods? [07:26] <Admiral Broadside> Are you implying that moderators are not users? [07:26] <NintendoOverload> are you even taking into account what madkatmaximus has said [07:26] <Slicer Vorzakh> The mod wouldn't have done anything if they didn't make a "disruption" [07:26] <Avalair> I am usually bothered when any rule is broken [07:26] <Luke McSwagger99> Kat it's easy to say what you're saying now but in a real situation I doubt what you say would go as well [07:26] <Nightfall395> "Alright, so Walruse/Admiral/Avalair/Dwarfy/Han/etc. (yes I just used the first five users from the top of the sidebar (derp) has reported in PM that they did not like that innuendo. Could you please not make any more innuendo, at least while that user is on? optional here )" [07:26] <Admiral Broadside> Chat moderators, I mean haha [07:26] <Admiral Broadside> Not the new user group [07:26] <Slicer Vorzakh> I'm trying to prove a point that they are [07:26] <Avalair> So should I not be a mod? [07:26] <Slicer Vorzakh> @admiral [07:26] <Madkatmaximus> yes, ava, you should be [07:27] <Avalair> Because I cant use common sense? [07:27] <Avalair> Because I am bothered by a rule being broken [07:27] <Avalair> Is that not common sense? [07:27] <Madkatmaximus> then step in and stop whoever's breaking rules [07:27] <Avalair> Should I be bothered when a rule is broken? [07:27] <Madkatmaximus> I already said that [07:27] <Slicer Vorzakh> But then it loops back to what we've already talked about [07:27] <Avalair> Even if it doesnt disrupt chat, and I am being bothered [07:27] <Nightfall395> something like what I said could easily work [07:28] <Madkatmaximus> if you're being bothered then that's enough to put a stop to it [07:28] <Admiral Broadside> If it bothers you then do something about it lol [07:28] <Slicer Vorzakh> But its not [07:28] <Slicer Vorzakh> Everyone will attack the mod [07:28] <Admiral Broadside> It doesn't matter who is being bothered [07:28] <Avalair> Like that time wolfasa kept using "Jesus Christ" as a swear and LSB was bothered by it [07:28] <Nightfall395> if they continue to make innuendo and the user in question is bothered again then start icking and possibly banning [07:28] <Madkatmaximus> Slicer, and once again that's ganging up on the mod [07:28] <Nightfall395> *kicking [07:28] <Madkatmaximus> which is not allowed [07:28] <Avalair> And everyone was annoyed that LSB was disrupting chat due to a seemingly innocent phrase [07:28] <Madkatmaximus> And wolf was in the wronf [07:28] <Slicer Vorzakh> But the mod can't do any thing or else they will be pegged as a bad mod [07:28] <Avalair> So who was in turn, disrupting chat? [07:28] <Madkatmaximus> he was purposely trying to provoke a user [07:28] <Madkatmaximus> * wrong [07:28] <Lunaicus> I'd say wolf [07:28] <Lunaicus> since yeah per mad [07:29] <Admiral Broadside> Wolf was disrupting, of course [07:29] <Nightfall395> also holy crap chat is being laggy for me like never before so I'll probably start replying to arguments like 5 minutes late soon\ [07:29] <Luke McSwagger99> Kat, then it turned into a debate over how Wolfy should have freedom of speech. [07:29] <RusMan> brb [07:29] <Avalair> Exactly, and I took care of it, and everyone said I needed to use common sense, LSB was in the wrong, not wolf [07:29] <Madkatmaximus> He should have freedom of speech, but there's a difference in that and just saying things to try and provoke someone. [07:29] <Lunaicus> yeeaaahhh [07:29] <Avalair> That could have very well been due to Div being on and picking on me [07:29] <Admiral Broadside> Leaving again, I'll be right back [07:29] <Slicer Vorzakh> Not everywhere should have freedom of speech, says me, the terrorist I am [07:29] <Madkatmaximus> Then everyone else was wrong, Ava [07:29] <Madkatmaximus> once again that's ganging up on a mod for doing his job [07:30] <Avalair> I will be saving this log for the next time I come into a situation like this [07:30] <Lunaicus> i think people give ava way to hard of a time [07:30] <Lunaicus> just to do it [07:30] <Madkatmaximus> I do too [07:30] <Slicer Vorzakh> Brb [07:30] <Avalair> I agree Luna, but as I stated earlier, I think its because I actually do my job [07:30] <Lunaicus> you are a fine mod ava and shouldn't be scared of doing your job [07:30] <Nightfall395> per luna [07:30] <Avalair> And not to be arrogant, other users do too [07:30] <Avalair> *mods [07:30] <Lunaicus> yeeaaahhh [07:30] <Avalair> But also people are used to targeting me thanks to a few users [07:30] <Lunaicus> sigh [07:31] <Avalair> One of the users have apoligized though [07:31] <Lunaicus> that is good [07:31] <Avalair> But I'd like to see how they behave once they are unbanned [07:31] <TheShadowAssassin> Hi HNG. o/ [07:31] <HappyNinjaGirl01> Hi o/ [07:31] <Avalair> Because it could have been a hollow apology [07:31] <Lunaicus> ah yeah [07:31] <Luke McSwagger99> Happy o/ [07:31] <HappyNinjaGirl01> o/