User:Alemas2005/Chat/Logs/23 October 2017

 [10:12]  OPENEYE. [10:12]  hi [10:13]  http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/series-11-three-companions-for-jodie-whittakers-doctor-86267.htm [10:13]  READ. [10:14]  interesting [10:14]  Will post some thoughts later, on mobile right now. :P [10:15]  mkay [10:37]  OpenEye. [10:37]  hi [10:37]  So. [10:37]  Three new companions. [10:37]  yes [10:38]  ...hm. [10:38]  Like the first series. [10:38]  Except more... ethnically diverse. [10:39] <Alemas2005> And this just won't shoo away the massive suspicion that they are PC-fying all BBC programs. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:40] <EveryOpenEye> sigh [10:40] <Alemas2005> Had no problems with Martha or Bill as companions, mind you. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:40] <EveryOpenEye> can you explain the obsession with picking out people's ethnicity and trying to make it problematic [10:40] <Alemas2005> Oi, I'm not racist. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:41] <EveryOpenEye> i just dont get it [10:41] <Alemas2005> Ever heard of Top Gear? <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:42] <EveryOpenEye> yeeah [10:44] <Alemas2005> So until two years ago, it had three middle-aged white men as its presenters. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:44] <Alemas2005> Stereotypes galore, and everyone still loved it. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:44] <Alemas2005> Offended a couple of countries (especially Mexico), but they were still generally liked, most of the time. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:45] <Alemas2005> Wherever they went in the world, they were still swarmed by fans. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:45] <Alemas2005> Even Syria. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:45] <EveryOpenEye> yes yes [10:45] <Alemas2005> Then one of the them punched a producer in the face, and got fired. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:45] <Alemas2005> The other two left with him. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:46] <Alemas2005> Eventually, they got replaced with this line-up: https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/styles/16x9_1280w/public/images/news-article/2016/02/b9d69d5a94cad06a834d9a84d448d544/tg_-line-up_maincloser_af1.jpg?itok=zsmNRFZO [10:46] <Alemas2005> Ever since then I got the sneaky suspicion they were trying to PC-fy everything. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:46] <EveryOpenEye> 6 people? [10:47] <Alemas2005> Ah, if I say anything other than that, I'd automatically be racist, wouldn't I. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:48] <EveryOpenEye> what are you on about [10:49] <Alemas2005> They replaced three middle-aged white blokes with a black man, a woman, an American, a ginger, a half-Indian, and an Irishman. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:49] <Alemas2005> See the massive contrast? <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:51] <EveryOpenEye> what am i supposed to make of it [10:51] <EveryOpenEye> even if its intentional what does it matter [10:53] <Alemas2005> It's like women quotas at work, you can't help but suspect they were hired just to satisfy the quota rather than for the actual ability of the workers. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:53] <Alemas2005> And before you say "YOU SEXIST PIG", even my mum says the same. <img width="19" height="19" title=":{P" alt=":{P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/e/e0/Unclets.png/revision/latest"> [10:54] <Alemas2005> The ginger guy left Top Gear after just one season, mind you. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:54] <Alemas2005> As did the Irishman and the woman. [10:55] <EveryOpenEye> right [10:55] <EveryOpenEye> but like [10:55] <EveryOpenEye> if they just hired a bunch of white brits instead would it have been better [10:56] <Alemas2005> Well, it would have certainly angered the PC brigade. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:56] <EveryOpenEye> maybe its less that they sacrificed quality to get minorities and maybe more that they werent as good as the original hosts. the ones everyone loved because they were amazing and all [10:56] <Alemas2005> And the BBC lives on PC. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:56] <EveryOpenEye> youre ridiculos [10:57] <EveryOpenEye> nobody would get mad because three white men were replaced by more white men [10:57] <EveryOpenEye> the paradigm stays the same [10:57] <Alemas2005> So hang on. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:57] <Alemas2005> If they hadn't replaced Capaldi with a woman, you're saying that no-one would have got mad? <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:58] <EveryOpenEye> no [10:58] <EveryOpenEye> well maybe some people would have, because there is always someone complaining about something [10:58] <EveryOpenEye> but there wouldn't have been like [10:58] <EveryOpenEye> outrage [10:59] <EveryOpenEye> "how dare you keep doing the same thing" [10:59] <Alemas2005> Meeeeeeeh. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [10:59] <EveryOpenEye> people get way more angry when you change stuff than keep it the same [10:59] <EveryOpenEye> see: you [10:59] <Alemas2005> But that's because I'm on the side of no change. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:00] <Alemas2005> Of course I'd get angry if there is change. <img width="19" height="19" title=":{P" alt=":{P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/e/e0/Unclets.png/revision/latest"> [11:01] <EveryOpenEye> yes [11:01] <EveryOpenEye> but there's a difference between change and no change [11:01] <EveryOpenEye> in general no change is the default expectation [11:01] <EveryOpenEye> and until they revealed whittaker change there was no indication there would be change [11:02] <EveryOpenEye> so if it were a man people in favor of a woman or other such wouldnt have been upset because the expectation wasnt there [11:02] <Alemas2005> *Raises hand* <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:03] <EveryOpenEye> xD what [11:03] <Alemas2005> Genderbending became canon. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:03] <Alemas2005> Master/Mistress. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:03] <Alemas2005> That scene where the Doctor shoots at a Time Lord. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:03] <Alemas2005> The general, I think. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:04] <EveryOpenEye> *remembers the doctor shot someone with intent to kill* damn you moffat [11:04] <EveryOpenEye> fair point [11:04] <EveryOpenEye> but that was moffat doing all that [11:04] <EveryOpenEye> new showrunner, less expectation [11:04] <Alemas2005> "there was no indication there would be change" [11:04] <Alemas2005> ...really. [11:04] <Alemas2005> <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:04] <EveryOpenEye> if moffat stayed on for another regeneration it might have been different [11:05] <Alemas2005> Nah, if anything, with the new showrunner the expectation was higher. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:05] <Alemas2005> New showrunner, new direction. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:05] <Alemas2005> And all. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:05] <Alemas2005> Ah, Animals. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:05] <Legoanimals750> <img width="19" height="19" title="o/" alt="o/" src="http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/d/d9/Wave_emoticon.gif"> [11:05] <Alemas2005> Have you heard the news? <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:05] <Legoanimals750> Three companions? [11:06] <Alemas2005> Oh yes. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [11:06] <EveryOpenEye> the direction wasn't clear though [11:06] <EveryOpenEye> could have been anywhere [11:06] <EveryOpenEye> just happened to be the woman doctor direction [11:07] <Alemas2005> But exactly because the direction could have gone anywhere that the expectation of a woman Doctor was a bit higher. <img width="19" height="19" title=":{P" alt=":{P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/e/e0/Unclets.png/revision/latest"> [11:07] <EveryOpenEye> just a bit [11:08] <EveryOpenEye> but i think it would've been much higher if moffat had stayed [11:08] <EveryOpenEye> because his direction did seem clear [11:08] <Legoanimals750> Kill everyone and bring them back to life [11:09] <EveryOpenEye> spoilers: clara is the next doctor [11:09] <Alemas2005> Spoilers: The real Doctor is Bradley Walsh. [11:10] <Legoanimals750> That's not that worst thing that could happen. [11:10] <EveryOpenEye> spoiler: captain jack actually turned into nardole [11:11] <Legoanimals750> Nah, that's Dorium