Thread:Madkatmaximus/@comment-25625534-20150602104025/@comment-26047195-20150604170323

Loney 97 wrote:

FortressOfNight wrote:

Loney 97 wrote:

Marshmallow matey wrote:

Loney 97 wrote:

FortressOfNight wrote:

Loney 97 wrote: Women walking around wearing whatever is not empowerment, it's just further objectification. Wait... what? How? Should women be only allowed to wear certain clothing, stick to a strict dress code or something? No, I didn't say that. I just said that that could lead to further objectification of women. If they expect other people to respect their bodies they should respect them themselves is all. I just don't see how flaunting or being promiscuous is in any way an empowerment. Are they doing it for themselves or men around them? If it's for themselves and that's how they want to dress then sure, knock yourself out, but if they objectify themselves men are going to do that too. That being said I'm not blaming women or anything, a guy should have enough self control to keep himself from freaking raping someone, but I just don't see how that's empowerment. they're not turning themselves into an object, they're dressing in a way that makes them feel good. like objectification is when (usually, but not excusively) women are turned into a sex object used to appease to a primarily male audience. whereas a woman wearing clothes that may be revealing is not the same thing. (also??? most outfits that objectified characters wear are nowhere in the realm of normal clothes. like a women dont go out wearing a skimpy bra and thong. also objectification usually enlarges..... certain parts of anatomy so) I don't know you and I was talking to Fort, and most of what you said doesn't really have anything to do with my statements so I'm just going to wait for Fort to reply if he wants to... That's am immature and rude thing to say. What Rem said was valid and appropriate, there's no reason for you to be acting the way you are. I thought you were better than that. In any case, I agree with what he(?) said completely. It goes to show what your opinion of women is if you're questioning whether the entire female motive for wearing anything that doesn't hide their bodies totally is to seem more attractive to men. It's very rude and insulting. My apologies, I didn't recognize the account and it seemed like the person was talking mainly about sex objects and cartoon characters..? and that doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm talking about. Also if you could please stop ignoring half of my posts and jumping to the assumption that I'm some male chauvinistic whatever who thinks women should go around wearing a sheet for fear someone might think that they're attractive, that'd be great. I already told you "If it's for themselves and that's how they want to dress then sure, knock yourself out". All I was saying in my original post was that I feel like that aspect of "women's liberation" could very easily be a double edged sword as it could lead to further objectification. Per Loney, and I personally didn't find any of his statements immature or rude at all. It's okay to not understand something that isn't clear to you. No need to establish hard feelings.

And what are you attempting to debate? Whether women should retain a right to go about wearing whatever they wish and if it alters a male perspective towards them, then the blame ought to be placed on the men? In all honesty that's a very weak idea, abusing the idea that men should have self-control. I'm not pushing aside that idea; men certainly should have self-control and it's a very sad thing when some don't. My point would be that rather than feminists placing the blame on men, there ought to be a mutual effort from both sexes to eliminate objectification; that would go back to Loney's statement " If they expect other people to respect their bodies they should respect them themselves...". It should hopefully be obvious enough in today's society and culture on what manner of dress is objectifying and what isn't. Realistic and practical efforts would prove far more effective than a blame game. The core of the issue lies within basic and traditional respect for the opposite sex that many people seem to lack today; a reviving of that value would be a powerful solution.