Thread:Bourgeoisie/@comment-4552817-20150216091843/@comment-25995065-20150218152041

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote: I think the question of "is the ban justified?" boils down to the purpose of a ban. The purpose of a ban is not to "punish" someone, but to prevent disruptive and abusive behavior. As such, it is very rarely appropriate to ban someone after the issue was resolved and they left chat. It's not a question of "does this person deserve a ban?" Rather, it's a question of "is banning this person the most efficient way to solve this conflict and prevent disruption?" If banning Bourg neither 1) solved conflict (since conflict was already solved) nor 2) prevented disruption, then I don't see how the ban is justified. Since this is the most reasonable and thought-out opinion from an administrator in response to the ban, will you lift it per my appeal?

FortressOfNight wrote: Per Cay and Obi. Pretty sure I checked on chat around the time that BCGirl gave her "be civil" warning and Bourge and Ajr inquired about what it meant, but I never saw any response... Thanks for your input!

Nehpets7000 wrote: I'm kinda with BCGirl on here. I was also on chat at the time and I think a ban was rather justified...at least for the time then. Whether it was later on is debatable. But I'm going to say for this situation, it is. I trust BCGirl's judgement and following up with what Drew said, if you're going to ignore a moderator's warnings, you're asking for a ban. To be honest, I don't think the situation was really "settled" at all... the argument ended, sure, but I don't think that neccesarily means it was settled... And what was your deal in the situation. You were there the whole time, and presented no issue with my actions after the fact. What suddenly made you think the past actions were ban-worthy?

What wasn't clear in any of the points above that we didn't ignore BCGirl's warnings. We asked her to clarify, to which she hardly did. And the argument ending is perfectly settled. I don't know what you find to have been left unsettled.

Goggles99 wrote: If Bourg did in fact cause a disruption, then why should he remain unopposed, just because chatmods were afk at the exact time he caused it?

As for whether Bcgirl gave enough warnings. Wasn't there. So no comment. But I know Bcgirl is a trusted Chat Mod with a long and shining history. She was among the founders of this entire wiki. And Bourg/Meiko has a long history of being a troll on LMBW. None of this effects the outcome here, but it is worth mentioning. There is no way for me to have known I was being disruptive without any moderator telling me so. I was conversing with other users. One user, Ajraddatz, was happily conversing with me. The other users who reportedly had a problem with what we were saying did not speak up. They PMed BusyCityGirl, but BCGirl was "too busy" to tell me that there were users that were being made uncomfortable. If other users were being discomforted by what we were saying, I would have stopped. BCGirl, and Nehpets700, took none of the appropriate actions during the situation if indeed they received complaints from users in PM or believed that what I was saying was out of line. And I have a history of being a troll on LMBW? Lol. Not really. Look at all the things I've done to help this place. Not going to bother listing them because it's not relevant to this thread, but if you can't find any then that's disappointing that you're so out of touch with this community.

Just a note since it seems people don't understand it as common sense, if something is a problem and isn't written in the rules or common sense, you have to speak up about the issue. I can't be banned after the fact for something that I was never made aware was an issue (and isn't a written policy).