User:Marcel77799/Chat/Logs/13 December 2015

 [11:35]  ikr Brick [11:35]  America is like "10,000 refugees? too risky!" [11:35]  And Germany is over there taking over 1 million [11:35]  And they haven't had a single terrorism incident yet [11:36]  I like that you added "yet" to the end of your statement. [11:36]  Especially considering how early it is. [11:36]  It's been like 6 months now [11:36]  (yk) [11:36]  Germany will definitely be attacked if this continues [11:36]  This pattern [11:37]  so [11:37]  "I'd like to go to Paris and shoot all the refugees!" [11:37]  Where are the refugees supposed to go? [11:37]  xD [11:37]  ^actual quote [11:37] <Skully Of House Lannister> from a politican [11:37] <Wolfasa> Like, seriously [11:37] <Skully Of House Lannister> in the us [11:37] <IndyAJD> wait wat [11:37] <Skully Of House Lannister> someone said that [11:37] <Brick425> WARNING: The following was said by a really dumb Republican. Turn back now if you don't want to kill yourself. [11:37] <Brick425> [11:37] <Brick425> "Why aren't refugees fleeing into the countries that surround Iraq and Syria? Because they are connected to ISIS." [11:37] <Wolfasa> Indy suppose you fled your country [11:37] <Wolfasa> You lost your family [11:38] <TheShadowAssassin> I wouldn't flee, I'd probably fight for it. [11:38] <Wolfasa> you have absolutely nothing except the clothers you're wearing [11:38] <Skully Of House Lannister> like 3/4 of the refugees are in Turkey and Jordan [11:38] <TheShadowAssassin> No, not "probably", I would. [11:38] <Brick425> That's the problem Apple [11:38] <Skully Of House Lannister> mmhm apple [11:38] <Brick425> Not even the Iraqi or Syrian army will fight [11:38] <Wolfasa> Well Apple if your country has been war torn for almost a decade now I'm pretty sure you get tired at some point [11:38] <Brick425> All the Kurds want is their own country as they have been for the past 100 years [11:38] <IndyAJD> The rebels are the only ones fighting [11:38] <IndyAJD> Assad sort of is [11:38] <Skully Of House Lannister> also theres no one to be fighting for really [11:38] <Brick425> Only the countries that have been attacked are fighting ISIS [11:38] <TheShadowAssassin> Well, I'm certainly not going to go somewhere else and make my problems someone else's. [11:38] <Wolfasa> Iraq is actually taking back land [11:38] <IndyAJD> Neither of them are great [11:39] <Wolfasa> Apple [11:39] <Brick425> And all they're doing is sending air strikes [11:39] <Wolfasa> A decade [11:39] <Skully Of House Lannister> Appe [11:39] <Skully Of House Lannister> Apple [11:39] <Wolfasa> A decade of fighting [11:39] <Skully Of House Lannister> You're absurd [11:39] <Skully Of House Lannister> That's not what they're doing [11:39] <Skully Of House Lannister> Theyre fleeing [11:39] <Skully Of House Lannister> for their lives [11:39] <Wolfasa> It's ridiculous [11:39] <Skully Of House Lannister> because at home theyll get slaughtered [11:39] <Skully Of House Lannister> like their families were [11:39] <Wolfasa> Are you going to randomly take up arms and fight against trained militants [11:39] <Wolfasa> After you have been enduring war for a decade [11:39] <Wolfasa> Don't insult all of us and say yes [11:39] <Wolfasa> Because you won't [11:39] <TheShadowAssassin> Then I won't. [11:40] <TheShadowAssassin> But I'm not going to say "no", either. [11:40] <IndyAJD> It really depends on your loyalty to your homeland [11:40] <Wolfasa> And is that what they are saying? (yk) [11:40] <Wolfasa> Well they're homeland is essentially gone [11:40] <Skully Of House Lannister> why should they be loyal [11:40] <Wolfasa> All of their farmland is gone [11:40] <Skully Of House Lannister> they were born on a different patch of dirt [11:40] <Wolfasa> theres no food [11:40] <Wolfasa> the government is lead by a genocidal maniac [11:40] <Skully Of House Lannister> no food no infastructure [11:40] <IndyAJD> Yeah yeah thats the point [11:40] <Skully Of House Lannister> a lot of bombs [11:40] <Skully Of House Lannister> :p [11:40] <Wolfasa> and there are militants attacking everyone [11:40] <Skully Of House Lannister> any sensible person would flee [11:40] <Wolfasa> And kids die every single day in their sleep [11:41] <Wolfasa> from mortars [11:41] <Wolfasa> and grenades [11:41] <Wolfasa> random people sleeping in their houses [11:41] <Wolfasa> no where is safe [11:41] <Wolfasa> You could defeat ISIS, and then Assad would purge you [11:41] <Wolfasa> or take your food [11:41] <TheShadowAssassin> And then that's when somebody else steps in to help, right? [11:41] <Skully Of House Lannister> they come into their homes and take them [11:41] <Skully Of House Lannister> or just destroy their homes [11:41] <Skully Of House Lannister> theyre forced to fight for things they dont believe in [11:41] <Skully Of House Lannister> so they run away [11:41] <Wolfasa> Well obviously [11:41] <Wolfasa> They've been forced to endure war for a decade [11:42] <TheShadowAssassin> Mmmm. [11:42] <Wolfasa> A genocidal dictator [11:42] <Wolfasa> And most everyone they know is quite probably dead [11:42] <Wolfasa> And you're implying that all of the countries should just stand around and tell them to fend for themselves? [11:42] <TheShadowAssassin> Nope. [11:42] <Wolfasa> You're being impossibly ridiculous [11:42] <TheShadowAssassin> Not what I said, or implied. [11:43] <Skully Of House Lannister> youre saying we should just let them all die (DERP) [11:43] <Wolfasa> That's most definitely what you implied [11:43] <Skully Of House Lannister> canadas taking refugees [11:43] <TheShadowAssassin> Right. [11:43] <Skully Of House Lannister> yesterday was the first day [11:43] <Brick425> I find it hilarious that after Paris everyone's all pro intervention now [11:43] <Skully Of House Lannister> we've started letting em in [11:43] <TheShadowAssassin> I'm done, then, because now you're twisting my words. [11:43] <IndyAJD> It'd be nice if the UN was actually a thing and could help with this stuff [11:43] <Brick425> I was pro intervention before it was cool [11:43] <Brick425> UN and NATO have both taken a backseat [11:43] <Wolfasa> Brick people were pro intervention, there just wasn't much energy [11:43] <Skully Of House Lannister> well what were you saying apple (derp) [11:43] <Wolfasa> Well Apple you said they should stay back and fight themselves [11:43] <Brick425> Only Russia and France are doing anything because their people have been killed by ISIS [11:44] <Wolfasa> And that countries shouldnt accept their refugees [11:44] <Wolfasa> So, tell us, what did you mean [11:44] <TheShadowAssassin> Nope. [11:44] <TheShadowAssassin> They should defend themselves, and, to an extent, we should accept refugees [11:44] <Brick425> If every NATO country gave only 100,000 troops, we could take out ISIS in a matter of months. [11:44] <TheShadowAssassin> But not all [11:44] <Skully Of House Lannister> yes [11:44] <Skully Of House Lannister> and the us wanted to take 10k [11:44] <Skully Of House Lannister> some countries have taken over 1,000,000 [11:44] <Wolfasa> ^ [11:44] <Skully Of House Lannister> like 3 countries alone have taken 3/4 of the refugees [11:44] <TheShadowAssassin> if they're capable of fighting and defending their homeland, give them the necessary equipment and whatnot, and let them do it. [11:44] <Skully Of House Lannister> i think its jordan, turkey, and lebanon [11:44] <Skully Of House Lannister> which they kind of arent apple [11:45] <Wolfasa> You're so contradictory right now [11:45] <Skully Of House Lannister> also like [11:45] <TheShadowAssassin> Instead of fleeing your country and leaving it in shambles, do something to fix it [11:45] <Brick425> Last time we gave equipment to freedom fighters they turned into al-Qaeda [11:45] <Wolfasa> Most are malnurished lonely refugees [11:45] <Skully Of House Lannister> why do they have to be loyal to their country [11:45] <Brick425> Which is why we should side with Russia and destroy the Kurds [11:45] <Skully Of House Lannister> or even defend it [11:45] <Wolfasa> Apple did you even listen to what I said [11:45] <TheShadowAssassin> It's not about being loyal to their country [11:45] <Skully Of House Lannister> theyre normal people [11:45] <Satoshi2> ... [11:45] <Satoshi2> *backs away slowly* [11:45] <Wolfasa> Then what is it about [11:45] <Wolfasa> (yk) [11:45] <TheShadowAssassin> Defending what's theirs. Their families. [11:45] <Wolfasa> Their families are dead [11:45] <Skully Of House Lannister> oh yes [11:46] <Wolfasa> Their dictator has taken their food from them [11:46] <Wolfasa> And their houses are in rubble [11:46] <Skully Of House Lannister> because if you give a random starving man a gun while planes above are dropping bombs and organized groups are destroying their homes, he can defend everything he owns [11:46] <Wolfasa> They have nothing except the clothes they wear [11:46] <Wolfasa> What do you not understand about this [11:46] <TheShadowAssassin> ... "give them the necessary equipment and whatnot" [11:46] <Wolfasa> if you got dropped in the middle of a barren desert would you fight for it (yk) [11:46] <Brick425> I'd imagine if you give the people of Syria guns for defense, they will end up just shooting themselves. [11:46] <Wolfasa> If you had no more ties to the wasteland [11:46] <Wolfasa> Why fight for it [11:46] <Wolfasa> There's nothing there for you [11:47] <TheShadowAssassin> Except they're not being dropped anywhere. They lived there. [11:47] <Wolfasa> Say you do defeat ISIS [11:47] <Wolfasa> Then your dictator will just come back [11:47] <Wolfasa> And purge half of the population again [11:47] <Skully Of House Lannister> they have no options [11:47] <Wolfasa> And take your food [11:47] <TheShadowAssassin> ..unless you defend it [11:47] <Skully Of House Lannister> they did live there, and now they cant [11:47] <Wolfasa> ^ [11:47] <Skully Of House Lannister> you cant defend it [11:47] <Wolfasa> There's nothing left to defend [11:47] <TheShadowAssassin> ...and why not? [11:47] <Skully Of House Lannister> its impossible for random people to just step in and stop an army [11:47] <Wolfasa> There's nothing left to defend [11:47] <Skully Of House Lannister> most of the people fleeing have children [11:47] <Vonness11`> oh just decided to check and politics yay [11:47] <Skully Of House Lannister> starving children [11:47] <Wolfasa> What do you not understand about this [11:47] <TheShadowAssassin> Take in the children. [11:48] <Skully Of House Lannister> without their parents? [11:48] <TheShadowAssassin> Take in the mothers, if they so desire. [11:48] <Skully Of House Lannister> send all their parents to die? [11:48] <Wolfasa> And just force their parents to ditch their kids and fight for a country that has done nothing except punish them their whole lives? [11:48] <TheShadowAssassin> No. [11:48] <Skully Of House Lannister> make thousands of orphans [11:48] <Skully Of House Lannister> apple [11:48] <Wolfasa> Then what [11:48] <Wolfasa> What [11:48] <Alemas2005> Oh joy, ISIS. (derp) [11:48] <Skully Of House Lannister> you basically just said we should make thousands of orphans [11:48] <Alemas2005> Hey, at least chat's active. (derp) [11:48] <TheShadowAssassin> "take in the mothers, if they so desire" [11:49] <Wolfasa> my reasoning exactly Ale :P [11:49] <Wolfasa> Okay, so then you have a ton of single mothers with nothing stranded in a foreign country where nobody speaks their language [11:49] <IndyAJD> To be honest, seeing as this is now a global problem, we should all be chipping in to help fix it civilly and militarily [11:49] <Wolfasa> While you send the dad's back to die for a country they don't even want to live in anymore [11:49] <Skully Of House Lannister> also that implies you think the dad needs to be the strong defender of the family [11:49] <Skully Of House Lannister> why [11:50] <Skully Of House Lannister> should they [11:50] <Skully Of House Lannister> go back to a place thats given them nothing [11:50] <Skully Of House Lannister> and die for it [11:50] <Skully Of House Lannister> when their children are far away [11:50] <Wolfasa> and there's nothing to gain from winning [11:50] <Wolfasa> except going back to the dictator that ruined their lives before [11:50] <Wolfasa> And, say they throw Assad down [11:50] <Wolfasa> then there will be another 5 years of civil war [11:50] <Vonness11`> "hey guys go fight for a barren wasteland and die" why the hell did i decide to visit [11:51] <IndyAJD> Fallout: Syria [11:51] <IndyAJD> (as) [11:51] <Vonness11`> lol [11:51] <Vonness11`> welp no reason to be on ig [11:52] <Wolfasa> And on the flip side of this there are candidates for president saying that they wouldn't even consider taking in starving 5 year old orphans [11:52] <TheShadowAssassin> That's awful. [11:52] <Wolfasa> So you can see why I'm pretty proud to be a Democrat at the moment [11:52] <Wolfasa> If being proud for common sense is a thing [11:52] <Brick425> I'm not a Democrat but at least I can say I'm proud not to be a Republican [11:52] <Brick425> like ever [11:52] <Wolfasa> or why I have increasing disdain for America [11:53] <IndyAJD> I'm sort of republican [11:53] <Brick425> And I've said a million times why two parties in Congress is dumb so I won't say it now. P [11:53] <IndyAJD> But this election [11:53] <Brick425> * :P [11:53] <IndyAJD> Two parties is awful [11:53] <Wolfasa> Brick so vote for Sanders :P [11:53] <Brick425> No thanks :P [11:53] <Wolfasa> longest running independent in american history :P [11:54] <Brick425> I might as well vote for Billary then. She holds the world record for political position held for least amount of time [11:54] <Skully Of House Lannister> @Brick: [11:54] <Skully Of House Lannister> Sanders doesn't support taking guns away [11:54] <Skully Of House Lannister> He's a sensible guy [11:54] <Skully Of House Lannister> jsyk [11:54] <Wolfasa> ^ yeah sander's policy of people control, as you said [11:54] <Brick425> Guns aren't my main concern :P [11:54] <Skully Of House Lannister> he's always voted against taking away guns [11:54] <Wolfasa> is* [11:54] <Skully Of House Lannister> what is ;p [11:54] <Brick425> But I think it's cool he likes guns [11:54] <Brick425> I can respect him as a person [11:55] <Brick425> But I'm not a big fan of traditional social policies [11:55] <Brick425> If you ask me we should cut some funding for the military and use it to pay for /actual/ free healthcare with no tax increase [11:55] <Wolfasa> Well seeing as how the policies he advocates for have shown tremendous benefits on Europe I don't see why not but okay :P [11:55] <Brick425> Like you know how people from Canada or Europe are always saying they get free healthcare even though they pay for it in taxes [11:55] <Wolfasa> He says we should do that too [11:56] <Skully Of House Lannister> i never said we get free healthcare [11:56] <Wolfasa> But it's more efficient [11:56] <Skully Of House Lannister> its just efficient [11:56] <Skully Of House Lannister> also [11:56] <Wolfasa> So they still end up paying less [11:56] <Brick425> I didn't say you. (yk) [11:56] <Skully Of House Lannister> he wants to tax corporations a lot more [11:56] <Skully Of House Lannister> to provide for their programs [11:56] <Brick425> I said people from Canada or Europe [11:56] <Skully Of House Lannister> I'm Canadian :P [11:56] <Brick425> Not everything is about you [11:56] <Brick425> chill [11:56] <Wolfasa> xD [11:56] <Skully Of House Lannister> "people from Canda or Europe" [11:56] <Wolfasa> Explain to me how longer or any at all paid maternal leave is a bad thing :P [11:56] <Skully Of House Lannister> i have dual citizenship [11:56] <Brick425> Nice. :P [11:56] <Skully Of House Lannister> to the uk and canada [11:57] <Skully Of House Lannister> so im like [11:57] <Skully Of House Lannister> both of those things [11:57] <Skully Of House Lannister> also [11:57] <Skully Of House Lannister> the US is like one of three countries in the world to not guarantee paid maternal leave [11:57] <Brick425> Why you wouldn't pay someone on maternal leave is stupid [11:57] <Brick425> Like yeah raising babies is cheap as dirt [11:57] <Skully Of House Lannister> duh [11:57] <Wolfasa> and it's not like parents have to bond with their baby or anything [11:57] <Brick425> Ugh IKR [11:57] <Wolfasa> gotta send that kid straight to day care [11:58] <Wolfasa> obviously nothing will go wrong there [11:59] <Wolfasa> It's funny Brick usually u agree with most everything we say and than you insist you aren't Democrat :P [11:59] <Brick425> And paying at max a handful of employees' salaries when they DON'T WORK EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE STILL EMPLOYED THERE AND PROBABLY WILL BE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS? stupid democrats [11:59] <ThisIsGospel> matchbox twenty &lt;3 [11:59] <Wolfasa> Like, how close to do you have to be? :P