Thread:Drew1200/@comment-25282327-20141019033227/@comment-5087874-20141019225327

Drew1200 wrote: You did a good job, Neh. I wouldn't have used the term "dingus", but other than that, you and Goggles did do very well. Like many of the users in the log said, a warning may have been more appropriate than a kick, but that's entirely up to the moderator at the time. Really, the only reason I would choose to use a warning over a kick is because it's less disruptive to chat. Aside from that, I see a very minimal difference between the two.

To be perfectly honest, I'm quite surprised to see how Mad handled this. I'm completely fine with those kicks, but I would have also been fine if you had chosen to not make them. I agree that what LDC said was deserving of some form of a warning, which I would have definitely done if I was the moderator. But if you had chosen not to warn, it wouldn't have been a big deal. But the ban was completely and entirely warranted. So much so, that I've decided to "redo" the ban. It may have no effect at all if he chooses not to log on for another 2 hours, but it was wrong of Mad to undo that.

In case, for some reason, you'd need me to explain why the ban was necessary, all's you need to do is read our personal attack policy. "I want to slap you so hard right now, Neph" - and he proceeded to say the same for two other users as well. I don't know how you could interpret that as anything aside from a strong personal attack. Then what really gets me is that Mad said "H ewas joking". Mad, being that you're an admin, I'm going to assume you've read our policy, which means I don't have to link you to the specific part where it says that claiming a personal attack as a joke does not justify it or make it any more acceptable.

Also, I know this isn't an official policy or anything, but this is just the general, unwritten rule that I and many other admins go by. If you're willing to undo a ban made by a moderator, especially one as small as two hours, then you better be ready to propose a demotion over abuse of rights. Otherwise, it isn't a big enough deal that you should be using your authority to override another privileged user.

Overall, Neh, I'd say you and Goggles handled the situation pretty well. Thank you for continuing to try and be a good moderator even when others are telling you that you're not. NOPE nopenopenopenope... OK, let's read this over together, shall we?

"You did a good job, Neh."

OK, we're already off to a point to which Mad and I would highly disagree.

" I wouldn't have used the term "dingus", but other than that, you and Goggles did do very well. Like many of the users in the log said, a warning may have been more appropriate than a kick, but that's entirely up to the moderator at the time. Really, the only reason I would choose to use a warning over a kick is because it's less disruptive to chat. Aside from that, I see a very minimal difference between the two."

Yes, the term "dingus" was less than needed, to be fair to Drew. Also, Gog, like Neph, did not handle it well. They made a hella big deal over me talking about the word "penis". IDK what's up with that. How about, instead of blocking words, we let words be allowed, and let people TAKE RESPONSIBILITY and LEARN what they should or shouldn't be saying. I was not talking about the object that the word penis describes, rather, the word itself. Also, I have to agree with you on the warn vs. kick thing.

" To be perfectly honest, I'm quite surprised to see how Mad handled this. I'm completely fine with those kicks, but I would have also been fine if you had chosen to not make them. I agree that what LDC said was deserving of some form of a warning, which I would have definitely done if I was the moderator. But if you had chosen not to warn, it wouldn't have been a big deal. But the ban was completely and entirely warranted. So much so, that I've decided to "redo" the ban. It may have no effect at all if he chooses not to log on for another 2 hours, but it was wrong of Mad to undo that."

I would have taken a warning, sure. And yes, the kicks made it a big deal. Once again, the mods say "Don't make a big deal", but then they do because they've just created one by dishing out a punishment. Also, I don't care if the ban is 10 minutes, it was completely unjustified. Wait, it was WRONG for Mad to undo it? Aw HELL naw! Mad agrees that Neph's and Gog's choices were stupid and uncalled for. Besides, this is about me. Please don't drag Mad into this just because he was on my side.

"In case, for some reason, you'd need me to explain why the ban was necessary, all's you need to do is read our personal attack policy. "I want to slap you so hard right now, Neph" - and he proceeded to say the same for two other users as well. I don't know how you could interpret that as anything aside from a strong personal attack. Then what really gets me is that Mad said "H ewas joking". Mad, being that you're an admin, I'm going to assume you've read our policy, which means I don't have to link you to the specific part where it says that claiming a personal attack as a joke does not justify it or make it any more acceptable."

Yeah, uh, saying I'm gonna "slap some fools" (As I said, and Mad and Rys can back me up here.) is NOT a personal attack in my book. To me, a personal attack is an actual THREAT, for example, "I'm gonna kill you.", or the use of verbal abuse, for example "You are so retarded. Go to hell." Saying you're gonna slap someone isn't really a personal attack.

"Also, I know this isn't an official policy or anything, but this is just the general, unwritten rule that I and many other admins go by. If you're willing to undo a ban made by a moderator, especially one as small as two hours, then you better be ready to propose a demotion over abuse of rights. Otherwise, it isn't a big enough deal that you should be using your authority to override another privileged user."

If it's not official, then why should Mad obey it? xD

"Overall, Neh, I'd say you and Goggles handled the situation pretty well. Thank you for continuing to try and be a good moderator even when others are telling you that you're not."

I think the pressure of people telling him he sucks got to him, if you ask me.