Board Thread:Demotions/@comment-4964341-20160906204217/@comment-26944420-20160907140415

Alemas2005 wrote: Replying to Slice's reasons for having me demoted.


 * "he has such a sense of superiority to the community, multiple mods, and at times, other admins.": That may be true, but it's a sense of superiority backed by ratings, the general feeling I do most of the work here, and two years of admin experience. So excuse me for having one, I can't do much about it. Since this thread shows that I'm not as good as I thought, I guess I'll have to tone things down...
 * "Whether or not all the people on chat have decided they want something to be done, Ale would just say no and go back to Fifa": If I just said "no", it's because there was nothing else to discuss. I try to be as to-the-point as possible, I don't want to waste my time too much.
 * "In one instance, I had complained to an admin that a user was a dupe with sufficient evidence, even a thread where the person flat out said he was a dupe of a blocked user. Next morning, another CM told ale that he thought he was legit, and that was all it took for Ale to unblock the person, without a shred of evidence either way.": I don't recall the details exactly, but I must have used CU to check whether the user had a legit IP, and that was my "evidence". Plus, "After discovery of evidence of which I had no knowledge beforehand... he is a dupe.". In the end I did re-block him.
 * "Another example, when User:Dr. Shady first joined and got kicked, me and 3 other CMs asked Ale to Checkuser him, but he said no because he felt it would be unfair to the community. Several weeks and trolling from him and refusal to CU because it'd be "unfair" another admin that got CU finally checked him and it was one of our known trolls.": I honestly don't recall the details, it was almost a year ago. Can't really comment on that. Though me saying it would have been "unfair to the community" is very unlike me. Not something I'd normally say.
 * "There are several other instances, even one today where people swore and two CMs complained to him but he would not do anything.": Ok, I will admit, that was a bit of a murky grey area we went into, I probably could have dealt with that better. With the user stating the "f" was meant for "frick"... meh, meh. Yeah, anyway, probably got that a bit wrong. Hey, at least I admit that I'm not completely immune to derp-outs when moderating, I'm only human.
 * "New account that caused a flame war, even though there was evidence where the account literally said he was a troll? Guilty until proven innocent.": I think you mean "innocent until proven guilty"...? Or I don't quite get what you're trying to say.
 * "Found in chat logs that someone said "ass" during night chat when no one was bothered by it? Let's demote the CM that watched that.": I don't read chat logs unless someone links them to me for some reason. And that word is a yellowx word, it should at least result in a warning.
 * "Adding to that, there has been instances where he has personally attacked other mods. When the other admins found out, they demand that he at least apologize. He completely ignored that thing when it happened.": Eh? "other mods", in plural? Can you give me specific examples of these multiple instances? I can recall one instance where MC didn't take the phrase "Don't be such a mule and headbutt your way with bans. " too kindly, but that was meant as a playful joke. It's not any more offensive than "miserable Djoke", "miserable vegetation", and "miserable Polandball of editing", and the two admins I discussed the matter with tended to agree with me. They did say I should have maybe apologised, but I didn't feel the need to, and I explained it to them, who seemed to accept it. I did not "completely ignore that thing". Unless you are referring to something else entirely of which I forgot everything...
 * "Ale is also a complete hypocrite, especially to me. He opposed my rfr and dismissed me "as immature" and "not proffesional enough" because I didn't completely take the paragraph part seriously. The next moment, he made the main page a rick roll while still maintaining that I wasn't professional enough.": This is the thing. Here's a tip for you. Ever since I wanted to have CM rights (and admin rights, in the end), I saw them as a sort of "bottleneck". Imagine you're a flat piece of paper, and to get those rights, you have to pass through that bottleneck. You can't get in there as you are, so you have scrunch yourself up to fit into it. Once you are through, you can unscrunch yourself again. This is to tell you that if you want to get rights, you have to behave in a very specific way which fits with the rest of the community. After it's done, you're allowed to behave a bit more freely than before. If you want to get admin, you have to take the RfR very seriously, and your behaviour before that as well. After your promotion, you're typically allowed more freedoms than you would have had before the RfR. And in any case, I'm the admin equivalent of an 80 year-old pensioner, aren't I allowed to laugh a bit after seeing how depressive the Wiki has become?
 * "There has also been today, where he changed chat mesages to memes that no one agreed to, and still kept them after virtually everyone requested they be removed.": I've already explained this multiple times. I did not support the prank, I did not support the theme. However, a prank's a prank, and they have to be left "running" for a decent amount of time. Pythor ended it too early, so I extended it. That was my "prankster" side supporting the prank, which is completely separate from my LMBW admin side, which did not support it. And in any case, given how I reverted the messages to their original state and they STILL aren't appearing in chat, even if hadn't extended it we probably would have had them yesterday evening anyway...

So, in conclusion... Do I truly warrant a demotion after all that? Do you expect absolute perfection from a bureaucrat with no mistakes? If so, well, I'm truly not the man for you, on account of what Slice wrote. But if you do not expect absolute perfection, and expect a few mistakes, well, isn't this all still in line?

Let me remind you of this. They're my contributions to the LEGO Message Boards Wiki mainspace, the mainspace containing the heart of the Wiki. Policies, RfRs, and emoticon votes. The edits mainly involve votes, archival of RfRs and emote votes, and policy modifications.

Let me also remind you of this. Those are the edits in the "Board Thread" mainspace, i.e. edits in threads like these. The edits mainly involve updating the list of community votes, updating vote counts, and closing votes.

And let's not forget to mention that I'm basically the only admin who, as soon as there's a new post in admin chat, immediately PMs admins coming into chat with the link. I've had an admin link me admin chat... once or twice, perhaps? Maybe three times?

After seeing all the work I put into this Wiki, do you still think I deserve to be demoted over a couple of incidents where I didn't exactly sparkle? Is your bar really set so high for 'crats that you want an immediate demotion after this accumulation of incidents? Do you really want to get rid of the "workhorse" of the Wiki for these incidents?

Did I break policy? No. Do the cons outweigh the pros of having me as 'crat? I don't think so. Originally your thing about calling AP the Polandball of editing looked agreeable to me since it didn't really cause any problems but then I remembered how many blogs you made with the title "X shouldn't be trusted with Y matters", which basically publicly made fun of someone for not knowing something stupid. I bet you didn't ask them, did you?

You know how corrupt the second to last bullet point makes you look? Just wanted to highlight that one.

Also, you can't just say "That was my prankster side" when you did something that was completely stupid. If the community says no, don't do it. But we all know your attitute towards voting on the LMBW so I guess this is just a waste of time for me to type this.