User:Legoanimals750/Chat/Logs/24 September 2017

 [09:46]  HM. [09:46]  (UA) [09:46]  As usual. (UA) [09:46]  You come on only when I'm on, OpenEye. (UA) [09:47]  ive been on most of the day [09:47]  just ask afk bnr [09:47]  problem is nobody else has been on [09:50]  excuse me [09:50]  you are excused [10:06]  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZRCdfaAIy0 [10:36]  o/ [10:36]  o/ [10:43]  o/ [10:45]  \o [10:45]  I missed the bit of Trump's UN speech where he basically shovels his mess onto them. Just saw it now though. :P [10:46] <Roddy15> UN can't help if you keep making the situation worse.... [10:46] <Legoanimals750> But nothing is his fault and everything is fake news [10:47] <Alemas2005> ELECTION DAY. [10:47] <Alemas2005> BUNDESTAGSWAHL. [10:47] <Alemas2005> MERKEL TO REIGN SUPREME. [10:47] <Alemas2005> ...what a bore. [10:47] <Alemas2005> :P [10:47] <Roddy15> I've gotten pretty tired of die-hard Trump supporters at this point honestly. [10:47] <Alemas2005> Just now?! :P [10:48] <Legoanimals750> took you long enough [10:48] <Roddy15> I did manage to bring my Irish Trump supporter friend away from his die-hard support but it's like he just resets to default randomly on certain issues and goes against everything he should support given he lives in a country like Ireland... [10:49] <EveryOpenEye> disappointing [10:49] <Roddy15> Bring up healthcare and he agrees people should have access to healthcare, then proceeds to say the default GOP line of "we gotta repeal Obamacare" and then what??? :P [10:50] <Alemas2005> Uh, reset him. [10:50] <Alemas2005> :P [10:50] <Alemas2005> Reset to factory settings. :P [10:50] <Legoanimals750> ^ [10:50] <Roddy15> I point out universal healthcare and he just keeps going on about "failing Obamacare" I point out that Obamacare is mainly failing because insurance companies can smell the blood [10:51] <Roddy15> And then he just ignores every point I make :P [10:51] <Roddy15> It's like some of them just bury their head in the sand as soon as you throw out statistics at them. [10:51] <EveryOpenEye> lol [10:52] <EveryOpenEye> but muh privatization [10:52] <Legoanimals750> And that's why we need single payer. Like everyone other country in the world. [10:52] <Roddy15> Ireland doesn't have the best setup honestly but I'd rather get healthcare here than in the US. [10:53] <EveryOpenEye> the us system is impressively bad [10:53] <EveryOpenEye> most expensive in the world and one of the least effective [10:53] <Roddy15> You get people who go but why do rich people go to the US, it's because they have the best. Yes but they are rich people, the average Joe can't afford that so is happy to take the HSE. [10:54] <Roddy15> In Ireland right now you ideally need private health insurance but even that is nowhere near the cost of the US [10:56] <Roddy15> We have a Taoiseach now who trained to be a doctor so really he should care about making the health system here better but he hasn't done much yet. :P [10:56] <Alemas2005> And then if you go to England you have the NHS. [10:57] <Roddy15> Even the Irish use the NHS, women fly over there because you know Ireland's abortion laws. [10:57] <EveryOpenEye> dont worry, may will strong-and-stable it soon enough [11:00] <Roddy15> Hopefully, that issue will be addressed at some point...The citizen's assembly which is a randomly selected group of people who vote on recommendations for referendums voted in favour of allowing abortions but the political will doesn't seem to be there.... [11:00] <Roddy15> They've talked about a vote for years now :P [11:01] <Roddy15> Might get one next year but knowing Irish politics I wouldn't count on it until they've allocated the few million it costs to run the vote. :P [11:08] <EveryOpenEye> speaking of expensive votes [11:09] <EveryOpenEye> im ready to get a time machine and kill whoever thought this marriage equality vote was a good idea [11:09] <EveryOpenEye> i cant imagine how it could be going any worse unless people literally start being murdered over it [11:12] <Alemas2005> You sure Australia isn't full of Trumpists? [11:12] <Roddy15> Did people see the Irish vote and think "yes we can do that!" :P [11:13] <EveryOpenEye> not anymore ale [11:13] <EveryOpenEye> im pretty sure everyone saw the irish vote and said "we should do the same thing, except just avoid the vote bit and put it through parliament because all the polls show supermajority support" [11:13] <Roddy15> The marriage equality vote here went very smoothly despite the amount of die-hard Catholics [11:14] <EveryOpenEye> but the liberals were like "well actually the fundamentalist churches dont want it, so lmao no" and thus, the worst vote in the countrys goddamn history happened [11:14] <Roddy15> It was really the people who against it who were behaving the worst but there was no violence from what I can remember. [11:14] <EveryOpenEye> there is so much wrong with this one i dont even know [11:15] <EveryOpenEye> to start with, everyone was expecting a referendum because.. obviously [11:15] <EveryOpenEye> but that got shot down [11:15] <EveryOpenEye> so now it's literally a postal vote [11:15] <EveryOpenEye> run by the census bureau [11:15] <Roddy15> Referendum is the best way to do these things... [11:16] <EveryOpenEye> it is [11:16] <EveryOpenEye> so naturally we didnt do that [11:16] <Roddy15> "The result of the vote, due to begin next week, will not be legally binding." I've heard this before :P [11:16] <EveryOpenEye> y e p [11:16] <EveryOpenEye> so in the end it literally doesnt matter [11:16] <EveryOpenEye> its a glorified opinion poll [11:17] <EveryOpenEye> and the kicker is that it's an inaccurate opinion poll because its skewed, unlike data from actual polling [11:17] <Roddy15> I imagine then given the way I've heard things are there, if the vote is a yes they'll "debate" and vote it down if it's no then suddenly it's not up for debate :P [11:17] <EveryOpenEye> quite possibly [11:18] <EveryOpenEye> i think the possibilities are either they just say they'll do it and delay it as long as possible, or they bundle it with a bunch of other legislation they want to push through as well [11:18] <EveryOpenEye> and if its a no, well [11:18] <EveryOpenEye> there go any chances of marriage equality for uh [11:19] <EveryOpenEye> who knows, because the libs will hold it against anyone who ever claims marriage equality is a good thing [11:19] <EveryOpenEye> "THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN" [11:19] <EveryOpenEye> and the no campaign oh my god [11:19] <EveryOpenEye> its just [11:20] <EveryOpenEye> it literally has nothing to do with marriage equality [11:20] <EveryOpenEye> at all [11:20] <EveryOpenEye> it isn't touched on [11:20] <Roddy15> I'm reading the comments on an article about it all on an irish news outlet [11:20] <Roddy15> and it's horrible :P [11:20] <EveryOpenEye> yes [11:20] <Roddy15> people saying Australia should "learn from Ireland not to have a vote" [11:21] <EveryOpenEye> it's literally all reactionary propaganda about the evil gays who are going to have families without two heterosexual parents, like we didnt move past the marriage = kids thing decades ago [11:21] <EveryOpenEye> and somehow they shoved in nonsense about schooling programs being lgtbq+ positive [11:21] <EveryOpenEye> and marriage equality = more education about this stuff [11:21] <EveryOpenEye> the whole thing is about THINK OF THE CHILDREN and i just have to wonder if these people are worried kids will be start marrying each other because marriage equality happens [11:26] <Roddy15> the think of the children thing was spouted a good bit there too [11:27] <Roddy15> The whole argument of how shaken and emotionally damaged adopted children will be. [11:28] <Roddy15> Even though to adopt children in the first place you have to go through so much paperwork and stuff that it would weed out any potential parents who weren't suitable.... [11:28] <EveryOpenEye> lol yes [11:30] <EveryOpenEye> the pretentiousness of the no campaign is next level stuff though [11:30] <EveryOpenEye> their tagline is "it's ok to say no" and their whole theme is opposing "pc culture" which does terrible things like trying to discourage hate speech and discrimination against minorities [11:31] <EveryOpenEye> and they say anyone who tries to say they're kind of being assholes with their scare tactics is infringing on their free speech