User:Alemas2005/Chat/Logs/27 October 2017

 [08:20]  ah k [08:20]  but that makes sense though [08:20]  and like [08:20]  everyone will have varying degrees od thoughts [08:21]  so idk why that would be a problem quite [08:21]  *of [08:21]  User:Alemas2005/Chat/Logs/23 October 2017 [08:21]  The day before.  [08:21]  [08:24]  He seems extremely sensitive to anything slightly right-wing.  [08:27]  hm a bit [08:29]  just seems off that it escalated. like such discussions and opinions are pretty common place [08:36]  *Shrugs* [08:36] <Alemas2005> Maybe if I leave, he'll come in... <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:37] <Alemas2005> Except he'll see the last few sent messages. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:37] <Alemas2005> Ah yes, BCGirl. [08:40] <BusyCityGirl> Ah yes, Alemas. [08:41] <Alemas2005> Why hello there, we were discussing things about you. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:41] <EveryOpenEye> "slightly right-wing" != saying trans people being protected from the death penalty is an attempt to be "inoffensive" [08:42] <Alemas2005> ...what. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:43] <Alemas2005> I was just talking about the term used, y'know. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:45] <Alemas2005> You do not achieve equality simply by replacing words. <img width="19" height="19" title="(derp)" alt="(derp)" src="http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/6/6b/Derple.gif"> [08:46] <EveryOpenEye> what [08:46] <EveryOpenEye> its not just some petty equality thing [08:46] <EveryOpenEye> it's literally a matter of saving lives [08:46] <Alemas2005> I mean, it even says it... [08:46] <Alemas2005> "the term “pregnant woman” because it may “exclude transgender people who have given birth”." [08:46] <Alemas2005> "MAY" [08:46] <EveryOpenEye> yes [08:46] <EveryOpenEye> i think the phrase is [08:46] <EveryOpenEye> better safe than sorry [08:49] <Alemas2005> Still think it's overly cautious. [08:49] <Alemas2005> Would have been way better just saying "pregnant women and pregnant trans women". [08:49] <Alemas2005> [08:50] <Alemas2005> No word replacement and yet no-one's excluded. [08:50] <EveryOpenEye> pregnant people is concise and covers everyone so [08:50] <Alemas2005> But it sounds ridiculous. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:50] <Alemas2005> Sorry. [08:50] <EveryOpenEye> really [08:50] <EveryOpenEye> great excuse [08:51] <Alemas2005> You wouldn't have had a meme made about it. [08:51] <Alemas2005> None of this would have started. [08:52] <Alemas2005> "pregnant women and pregnant trans people". [08:52] <Alemas2005> There, no controversy. Two groups that still includes everyone. [08:52] <Alemas2005> Not one group called "pregnant people". [08:52] <Alemas2005> Job done. [08:53] <Alemas2005> Everyone satisfied. [08:53] <EveryOpenEye> what is controversial about the word people [08:53] <EveryOpenEye> if its not controversial when paired with "trans" why is it controversial on its own [08:53] <EveryOpenEye> ? [08:54] <Alemas2005> ...it's not the word, it's the combination. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:54] <Alemas2005> "pregnant people" vs "pregnant trans people". <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:55] <Alemas2005> 'cause if you just use "people", it'd also include non-trans males. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:55] <Alemas2005> Which would be ridiculous. [08:55] <EveryOpenEye> ...men can't get pregnant [08:55] <EveryOpenEye> non-trans men [08:55] <EveryOpenEye> so no [08:55] <EveryOpenEye> it doesnt include them [08:55] <Alemas2005> But "people" does. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:56] <EveryOpenEye> but not combined with pregnant [08:56] <EveryOpenEye> which it is [08:56] <EveryOpenEye> so [08:56] <EveryOpenEye> what point are you even making [08:59] <Alemas2005> This is the thing when having a mathematician's mind. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [08:59] <Alemas2005> "people" = men, women, trans, non-trans, all races, genders, everyone. [08:59] <Alemas2005> "pregnant" + "people" = men, women, trans, non-trans, all races, genders, everyone that is pregnant. [08:59] <Alemas2005> "trans people" = trans men, women. [08:59] <Alemas2005> "pregnant" + "trans people" = trans men, women, that is pregnant. [08:59] <Alemas2005> "that are pregnant". [09:00] <EveryOpenEye> i still dont see a problem [09:02] <Alemas2005> The point I'm making is that you still don't satisfy everyone by replacing words, you're more likely to achieve that by adding words instead. [09:02] <EveryOpenEye> but didnt you say that replacing the word included too many people [09:02] <EveryOpenEye> or is that the problem [09:04] <Alemas2005> Well yes, that includes non-trans men. [09:04] <Alemas2005> I'm 100% sure that if they had written "pregnant women and pregnant trans people", there wouldn't even have been a news article written about it. [09:04] <EveryOpenEye> but because they tried to avoid gaps, people got upset [09:05] <EveryOpenEye> i think the problem is more with reactionaries being reactionary and getting up in arms about this for no reason [09:05] <Alemas2005> "pregnant women and pregnant trans people" doesn't have gaps, and it includes only those biologically possible to become pregnant. :P [09:06] <EveryOpenEye> well [09:06] <EveryOpenEye> not necessarily [09:06] <Alemas2005> Are you calling me a reactionary now? <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [09:06] <EveryOpenEye> there are anomalies [09:06] <EveryOpenEye> nah [09:08] <Alemas2005> But it was the trans community complaining about just having "pregnant women". [09:08] <Alemas2005> So it would have been just as effective writing "pregnant women and pregnant trans people". [09:08] <Alemas2005> Unless some other group complained, then they would have added them as well to the "list" of pregnant groups. [09:08] <EveryOpenEye> their complaints were valid [09:08] <EveryOpenEye> the correction was appropriate [09:09] <Alemas2005> But there was still no need to swear at me. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [09:09] <Alemas2005> I'm not Keps for God's sake. <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest"> [09:11] <EveryOpenEye> sigh [09:13] <Alemas2005> What? <img width="19" height="19" title=":P" alt=":P" src="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/legomessageboards/images/4/47/Tongue_Smiley.gif/revision/latest">