LEGO Message Boards Wiki:Chat/Logs/27 February 2015

 [11:35]  why are there only two mods (zap) [11:35]  I keep seeing people argue over this, [11:35]  but [11:35]  mods wake up [11:35]  hmmm, Indi? [11:35]  *throws one half at marro and neko* 3: [11:35]  help [11:35]  what color is this dress guys. some people are saying it's blue and black [11:35]  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-znX8MWoAABzOQ.jpg [11:35]  But I say it's gold and white [11:35]  um [11:35]  Modsssss, Div is harassing Lily innapropriately. [11:35]  gold and white........... [11:35]  It's not black for crying out loud [11:35]  it's blue and black (UD) [11:35] <I'mDivergent> it's gold and white/grey [11:35] <Avalair> Purple and green [11:36] <Mishkaiel> yes, purple and black [11:36] <Spookez> Purple and black [11:36] <Indigo~> It's ugly but it's not black. :P [11:36] <ZXSpidermanXZ> *Inappropriately [11:36] <Damastermind> Lesbian and Pie, obviously [11:36] <Avalair> Div ur inulting other people =O [11:36] <I'mDivergent> no in not marro [11:36] <I'mDivergent> *im [11:36] <Indigo~> shut up guys nobody else even said purple you're not convincing ugh [11:36] <Indigo~> bye [11:36] <ZXSpidermanXZ> &gt;.&gt; [11:36] <Lilac Neko> I think it's blue and dark brown [11:36] <Avalair> I think it's purple and green [11:36] <I'mDivergent> It's white and gold, Indi. [11:37] <ToneTyphoon> congrats guys, we're breaking indi's head [11:37] <I'mDivergent> They're trolling [11:37] <ToneTyphoon> :P [11:37] <I'mDivergent> 3: [11:37] <Avalair> gosh are you guys blind [11:37] <Mishkaiel> IT'S PURPLE AND BLACK (HEY!) [11:37] <ToneTyphoon> Indi, rest assured you're right :P [11:37] <ZXSpidermanXZ> WTH is that emote. [11:37] <ZXSpidermanXZ> O_O [11:37] <I'mDivergent> Mish's fantasies [11:37] <Bioniclefan1> GTG [11:37] <Avalair> OH MARRO [11:37] <Indigo~> So many people on twitter though. :P [11:37] <Indigo~> Spamming up my timeline [11:37] <Lilac Neko> It's not purple my gosh [11:37] <Avalair> I am addicted to FMA:B O_O [11:37] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Hey Ava. :3 [11:37] <ZXSpidermanXZ> OMG! [11:37] <Mishkaiel> THIS ONE? (HEY!) [11:37] <ZXSpidermanXZ> OMG! [11:37] <ZXSpidermanXZ> YOU STARTED IT!? [11:37] <Avalair> Addicted. [11:37] <ZXSpidermanXZ> OMG! [11:37] <ZXSpidermanXZ> PM ME! [11:37] <Avalair> Yes, I started lst night [11:38] <Mishkaiel> HUH? [11:38] <ToneTyphoon> isn't brotherhood set after the first one? :P [11:38] <Avalair> And I binged watched it [11:38] <ZXSpidermanXZ> No [11:38] <Avalair> And now I am on episode 19 [11:38] <Satoshi2> back yay [11:38] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Hard to explain I'll explain after I PM Ava. :3 [11:38] <I'mDivergent> lol, Ava using the word binge:{p [11:38] <I'mDivergent> * :{p [11:38] <Lilac Neko> right [11:38] <Lilac Neko> bye [11:38] <Lilac Neko> I have a huge essay to write about logarithms [11:38] <Mishkaiel> I'm gonna go play something, bye [11:38] <Mishkaiel> o/ [11:38] <Satoshi2> Cya Lily \o [11:38] <ToneTyphoon> or I could just google it and save you the time Spidey [11:38] <Satoshi2> good lluck [11:38] <Mishkaiel> I shall be watching chat ... (watching) [11:38] <ToneTyphoon> so just assume I did that [11:38] <ToneTyphoon> cya Lily :c [11:39] <ToneTyphoon> wait, why the heck do you have an essay in Math? [11:39] <ZXSpidermanXZ> :p [11:39] <ToneTyphoon> that right there, is the definition of stupid [11:39] <MeltE2> mixels wiki really doesn't like my edits ;~; [11:39] <Avalair> LMB Wiki doesn't like my modding ;~; [11:40] <Bourgeoisie> because you don't listen to criticism or feedback [11:40] <Damastermind> Ava you're just being overshadowed by Von [11:40] <Damastermind> the best mod [11:40] <Bourgeoisie> MeltE2 what edits [11:40] <Avalair> and don't forget abby [11:40] <I'mDivergent> i used to be mod [11:40] <Satoshi2> ...Von's not a mod [11:40] <Bourgeoisie> Because I'm an admin there @Melt [11:40] <Avalair> I listen to feedback [11:40] <Damastermind> Sato [11:40] <Damastermind> he once was [11:40] <Satoshi2> Is he? [11:40] <Damastermind> for 30 seconds [11:40] <Bourgeoisie> Avalair no you don't [11:40] <Damastermind> and he never abused his rights =) [11:40] <Satoshi2> ... [11:40] <Damastermind> 11/10 [11:40] <Avalair> Yes, I do listen to feedback [11:40] <Avalair> I just don't follow it [11:41] <Satoshi2> Oh, I get it [11:41] <Avalair> (ym) [11:41] <ToneTyphoon> (wo) [11:41] <I'mDivergent> i never abused my rights, Dama. Am I a good mod? C: [11:41] <MeltE2> http://mixels.wikia.com/index.php?title=Boogly&amp;diff=133036&amp;oldid=133035 meiko [11:41] <Bourgeoisie> [04:00] &lt;Bourgeoisie&gt; ok i dont really agree with that kick [04:00] &lt;Avalair&gt; I do [04:00] &lt;Bourgeoisie&gt; ava, you were mentioning specific explicit things you could find on google [04:00] &lt;Bourgeoisie&gt; and he makes one possibly suggestive remark [04:00] &lt;Avalair&gt; All signs of innuendo are to be terminated from the wiki. [04:01] &lt;Bourgeoisie&gt; signs of innuendo aren't allowed, but specifically listing explicit results on google is? [04:03] &lt;Avalair&gt; Meiko, I don't even have to explain my kicks to you [04:03] &lt;Avalair&gt; Only to the person I'm kicking [04:03] &lt;Avalair&gt; Because it really isn't any of your business [04:06] &lt;Bourgeoisie&gt; Don't get so defensive about something like a kick btw. It makes it seem like you also question its validity. If you perform any action as a moderator you should always be prepared to explain why it took place (transparency and accountability is important when holding user rights) [04:07] &lt;Avalair&gt; Meiko, I'll do my job the way the admins tell me, thanks [04:08] &lt;Bourgeoisie&gt; Ava, that's stupid. Take criticism from the community you're serving. Doesn't matter if they're admin or not. [11:41] <Satoshi2> Was he the guy that got accidently-promoted a few days ago? :P [11:41] <Bourgeoisie> Woops [11:41] <Bourgeoisie> Ava you didn't listen to feedback yesterday ^ [11:41] <Avalair> Please no flood [11:41] <Damastermind> Yes, Sato (DERP) [11:41] <Mishkaiel> xD [11:41] <Avalair> I listened to that [11:41] <Satoshi2> Ah. :P [11:41] <Bourgeoisie> no you didn't [11:41] <Damastermind> Although a few days is probably an understatement but whatever [11:41] <Avalair> I kind of didn't have a choice [11:42] <MeltE2> Plus, meiko, can you add auto refreshing to the wiki activity pages at mixels wiki [11:42] <Bourgeoisie> "[04:07] &lt;Avalair&gt; Meiko, I'll do my job the way the admins tell me, thanks" [11:42] <Bourgeoisie> is not being receptive to feedback [11:42] <Avalair> I mya not be receptive, but I listen! (as) [11:42] <MeltE2> I hate not having it [11:42] <Bourgeoisie> So there's why people don't like your modding @Ava [11:42] <Avalair> IDC honestly [11:42] <Avalair> The admins do [11:42] <I'mDivergent> Isn't Ava the one who said he listen's to Alemas [11:42] <I'mDivergent> (ys) [11:42] <Avalair> Besides like, 2 [11:43] <Bourgeoisie> That's not what matters [11:43] <Avalair> Yes, that is what matters [11:43] <Bourgeoisie> No it's not [11:43] <Avalair> And I do my job, don't I? [11:43] <I'mDivergent> Didn't Ava say he listens to Alemas (ys) [11:43] <Bourgeoisie> No you don't [11:43] <I'mDivergent> Lol it sent twice [11:43] <Avalair> ............ [11:43] <I'mDivergent> :p [11:43] <Avalair> How do I not do my job? (ys) [11:43] <Avalair> Like, seriously? (ys) [11:43] <Bourgeoisie> You're not here to be serving the admins [11:44] <Bourgeoisie> You're here to prevent abuse in chat [11:44] <I'mDivergent> tbbl [11:44] <Satoshi2> Batty o/ [11:44] <Avalair> I am serving the wiki [11:44] <Avalair> To keep peace in chat [11:44] <Three-19-14> Hey, cuz \o [11:44] <Avalair> That is my only duty [11:44] <Bourgeoisie> It's not [11:44] <Bourgeoisie> And it's not a duty [11:44] <Avalair> And the admins agreed that I was completing that duty appropriately [11:45] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> To aid the community, not serve the Admins, Buros, the wiki. [11:45] <~Batgirl78~> You know one thing that's always confused me is that they say they prefer CM's who act like CM's. [11:45] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Ava's job is to insure the chat rules are not broken. [11:45] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> The community is what makes LMBW, not the officals. [11:45] <Bourgeoisie> If you "don't care" about feedback or criticism you receive from fellow community members, you aren't doing a good job [11:45] <Bourgeoisie> Per LBB [11:45] <Bourgeoisie> ZXSpidermanXZ, no, it's to prevent abuse. [11:46] <Avalair> I am doing a perfectly fine job. [11:46] <Bourgeoisie> In your opinion [11:46] <ZXSpidermanXZ> A chat mods job is to prevent cha rules from being broken. [11:46] <Bourgeoisie> But other people criticize you on it, so clearly you aren't doing a fine job [11:46] <Bourgeoisie> zx, no [11:46] <ZXSpidermanXZ> And admins job is to make sure the community runs well. [11:46] <Avalair> And what, 4 users here think I do not do my job correctly? [11:46] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @bour the reason why some don't take criticism is due to not knowing what they've been doing wrong personally. It's not their fault. [11:46] <Avalair> My job is not to be liked [11:46] <Avalair> It's not to do what everyone tells me [11:46] <~Batgirl78~> Ava [11:46] <Avalair> Batty :3 [11:47] <Bourgeoisie> If you're a source of unrest in the community, then you aren't doing your "job" correctly [11:47] <~Batgirl78~> Criticism isn't always a bad thing. [11:47] <Avalair> I am not a source of unrest [11:47] <Avalair> IK Batty [11:47] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> True CM's will not always be the most liked people, but doing what right is what matters. [11:47] <Bourgeoisie> If people aren't happy with what you are doing, then you are Ava [11:47] <Avalair> Bourg [11:47] <~Batgirl78~> But what exactly is right LBB? [11:47] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Bourge he needs to uphold the rules over making people happy. [11:48] <Avalair> there are 18 people on this chat currently [11:48] <Avalair> Excluding myself [11:48] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> And also criticism, depending on how it's said, can't always be taken the right way. [11:48] <~Batgirl78~> Acting like a robot isn't what I prefer in a CM. :p [11:48] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Ava doesn't act like a robot, he's really cool in chat but when his rights are needed he uses them. [11:48] <Avalair> About 4 of them, maybe less, disagree with the way I do my job [11:48] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @batgirl to be honest I don't know anymore. I'm in ruins right now trying to figure it out. Though I felt I should just give up of finding out. [11:48] <~Batgirl78~> I wasn't talking about Ava. [11:48] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Oh. [11:48] <Damastermind> "oh ehm gee you made 4 pepl unhape U R WORST CEE EHM EVER!!!!!111111one" -Meiko 2015 [11:49] <Avalair> Lol Dama [11:49] <Bourgeoisie> ZX, the policy is a guideline as to how chat should be at most times. There are times when upholding policy isn't the most effective way to prevent abuse and keep chat healthy [11:49] <~Batgirl78~> I don't feel like there is a right or wrong online LBB. [11:49] <~Batgirl78~> Everyone has different opinions [11:49] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Bourge but it isn't the CMs right to question the rules, it's the admin's. [11:49] <Bourgeoisie> It's any community member's [11:49] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> It's respecting those opinions and yet also trying to do the right thing. [11:49] <Bourgeoisie> The community makes the rules for their community [11:49] <Bourgeoisie> That's what a wiki is [11:49] <ZXSpidermanXZ> But a CM has to uphold the rules whether members dislike it or not. [11:49] <Avalair> ^ [11:49] <Bourgeoisie> That's the first principle behind every wiki [11:50] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Yes but a CM can't just change a rule. [11:50] <~Batgirl78~> I agree 100% Meiko [11:50] <ZXSpidermanXZ> They need to get permission. [11:50] <ZXSpidermanXZ> From an admin. [11:50] <Bourgeoisie> It's not about changing the rules [11:50] <~Batgirl78~> Thats also another thing. [11:50] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @ZX I've seen you guys recently mock my dislike of emotes. I've seen how you guys are like. and not you personally to get that straight. [11:50] <ZXSpidermanXZ> I've never micked anyone. [11:50] <ZXSpidermanXZ> *mocked [11:50] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I tried doing what's right but guess what, I get bashed and bashed again! [11:51] <~Batgirl78~> A good portion of the admins act as if they are above the community. I personally take an offensive to that. [11:51] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @ZX that's what I meant to say. ;p [11:51] <ZXSpidermanXZ> I've never bashed you LBB. [11:51] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I know [11:51] <Spookez> Admins don't decide if a ban is justified or not. :P [11:51] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I should of worded it dif. ;p [11:51] <Spookez> Chat rules decide that. :P [11:51] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Oh ok. :p [11:51] <Caysie98> test [11:51] <Bourgeoisie> "policies are just guidelines on how things should be on the wiki. It's not what's written in the policies that matters most (not saying it doesn't matter at all), but it's the purpose of those policies that moderators are to enforce. If someone breaks a policy, they broke a policy. You can let them know that, but when you choose to kick or ban and it ends up causing more disruption than the user breaking a policy, you'd have enforced the policy, but have failed to have enforced the purpose of the policy, which is to keep chat safe and healthy. A moderator's actions should never cause more disruption than someone who was accused of disrupting." [11:51] <Caysie98> Oh hello [11:51] <Damastermind> "I personally take an offensive" Wode gone wrong (DERP) [11:51] <Avalair> I think I do my job well, and I am human so I understand I am not perfect, but if I still have my rights and the admins agree with it, I am pretty sure I'm doing my job well [11:51] <Caysie98> Oh we're talking about rules and modding and stuff again [11:51] <Caysie98> yay [11:51] <Caysie98> /sarcasm [11:51] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> ^ [11:51] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Yes I agree Bourge. [11:51] <ZXSpidermanXZ> But if someone was told to stop. [11:52] <ZXSpidermanXZ> And they keep going that's a kick, even if it causes more disruption. [11:52] <~Batgirl78~> It's fine Ava. [11:52] <~Batgirl78~> You don't need to justify your reasons. [11:52] <Avalair> What is? [11:52] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> I don't know I feel like something small is being something big. [11:52] <ZXSpidermanXZ> There's definitely a line for moderating [11:52] <Avalair> According to Meiko I do. (derp) [11:52] <Bourgeoisie> If you're questioned about your reasons then you do. [11:52] <Caysie98> I think you should have to justify your reasons [11:53] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> The actions of the offence being done is the reasons why they were kicked or banned. [11:53] <Bourgeoisie> If you don't explain or justify your reasons after being questioned about it, then it can be assumed that your actions aren't justifiable. [11:53] <Caysie98> Why wouldn't you have to, unless they aren't very good? [11:53] <~Batgirl78~> It depends I guess. [11:53] <Avalair> This all started because Ed used innuendo and I kicked him for it [11:53] <Avalair> Meiko questioned it [11:53] <Bourgeoisie> Per Caysie [11:54] <Avalair> I told him, and he disagreed and I overreacted [11:54] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Yes you should be able to justify your actions I agree. [11:54] <Caysie98> Wait are we still talking about yesterday? [11:54] <Caysie98> Or is this something else? [11:54] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @cay IDK [11:54] <Avalair> Been going on for 20+ hours (zz) [11:54] <Avalair> jk :p [11:54] <~Batgirl78~> You just need to learn how to receive criticism. [11:54] <Bourgeoisie> I don't know. I only joined this when Ava said "LMB Wiki doesn't like my modding ;~;" [11:54] <Caysie98> ...? [11:55] <Caysie98> Er :P [11:55] <Bourgeoisie> Per Batty [11:55] <Avalair> But what if it's criticism I don't want to receive? [11:55] <Caysie98> um [11:55] <Caysie98> ... [11:55] <~Batgirl78~> Handle it with a smile. [11:55] <Bourgeoisie> ^ [11:55] <Avalair> =) [11:55] <~Batgirl78~> Doesn't mean you have to agree. [11:55] <Avalair> I like that.... (yup) [11:55] <Caysie98> oh gosh [11:55] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Ava yu should take it politely anyway, and just put it to the side. [11:55] <Caysie98> Please not with that smile :P [11:56] <Bourgeoisie> Even if the criticism isn't good criticism, it can be good to try to figure out what a person's purpose is for giving you that criticism. But at the same time, not all criticism is bad, so it's good to take any criticism into account. [11:56] <Avalair> Thank you Meiko, for your generous and constructive criticism. I will be sure to consider that next time when a problem comes up in chat. =) [11:56] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> stupid crashing itnernet [11:57] <~Batgirl78~> Although to be honest [11:57] <Bourgeoisie> Having held rights at Wikipedia, there are thousands of people who will criticize you. Even if they criticize me negatively, if they have a reason for criticizing me, it's good to know that. And at the same time, a lot of their criticism is useful. [11:57] <~Batgirl78~> I have a hard time talking the policy seriously when most of the admins are inactive. :p [11:57] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Like I said, I prefer constructive criticism because anyone could criticise. [11:57] <Avalair> Yes Batty? I am always open to friendly suggestions from the community. =) [11:57] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> but not everyone could give good feedback [11:57] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @batgirl I agree. [11:58] <Avalair> We have.... [11:58] <~Batgirl78~> I understand people have a life offline. [11:58] <Avalair> Rio, Ale, Spy, Loney, Goggs, and sometimes Obi [11:58] <Damastermind> What are you talking about [11:58] <Damastermind> This is LMBW [11:58] <Damastermind> Nobody has a life [11:58] <Avalair> And Jd [11:58] <~Batgirl78~> But this is kind of getting ridiculous [11:58] <ZXSpidermanXZ> Dama. :p [11:58] <Avalair> And Jedi [11:58] <Caysie98> I'm going to Disney Land on the 5th [11:58] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Admins are admins for a reason ,there here to help the wiki, not watching it. Even if they have an outside life of their own. [11:58] <Avalair> ATM, my life is FMa (SIE) [11:58] <Caysie98> That's my outside life [11:58] <ZXSpidermanXZ> :p [11:58] <ZXSpidermanXZ> See now Ava you understand. :p [11:58] <Damastermind> It is completely impossible for anybody on LMBW to have a life [11:58] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> Well Cay, I wish I could come too ;p [11:59] <ZXSpidermanXZ> I have a life. [11:59] <RagingTofu> Measle Land. :P [11:59] <ZXSpidermanXZ> On the LMBW. (sie) [11:59] <Avalair> Yes, Spidey. All is clear now. =) [11:59] <ZXSpidermanXZ> XD [11:59] <Avalair> I have seen Truth. =) [11:59] <Caysie98> yay stress because shopping for fancy boy clothes because apparently we're also going to a symphony [11:59] <Bourgeoisie> Another problem is there is too much separation between admins and chat mods. Like chat mods (and regular users) aren't too involved with what admins are doing, and admins aren't very involved in the chat moderator team. Which causes problems [11:59] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @dama, so, your saying I don't have a life? that's how I'm i'm reading it. [11:59] <ZXSpidermanXZ> "all is one and one is Brothehrood" [11:59] <ZXSpidermanXZ> :p [11:59] <Avalair> (yes) [11:59] <LegoI3rickI3uilder> @bour that will never be fixed. admins are too stubborn or ignorant to fix it. [11:59] <Damastermind> Yes because you are on LMBW aka the place where nobody has a life =) [11:59] <~Batgirl78~> I just find it a little rude when people get elected Admin and don't show up on wiki for a while as if it's checked off their list. [11:59] <ZXSpidermanXZ> LBB hes joking. :p