Board Thread:Community Voting/@comment-25995065-20150317063943/@comment-4825926-20150319181025

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Legoanimals750 wrote: I support. But only if the community agrees over 66% on that topic. Never mind i change my vote Disagree. What made you change your mind? Well i didn't really care either way. But i thought about it and it makes more sense that the people in charge should get more power. .......admins aren't in charge and their rights aren't power. Your just trying to make me agree again aren't you? :P No, I'm pointing out a huge flaw in your reasoning. That'd be like saying "I don't want to vote for because I don't think they can run this restaurant very well", as if you thought the United States was a restaurant and not a country. User rights are not power, and administrators are not in charge of the community. You say we are not in charge, yet we are elected (I use we loosely, having not been elected myself), and even you make the analogy to us and the president? Do you claim the president is not in charge? And if user rights are not power, than what are they? Power is the ability to do something, users have the power to edit among other things, admins just have more because we are qualified to run the community as indicated by the community through voting. ▂▃▅▆▇█▓▒░Eagleeyedan▒░▓█▇▆▅▃▂ First of all don't misread my analogy. The analogy doesn't involve administrators. The analogy compares this vote in this forum to a presidential vote. Both are votes. It's not comparing administrators to the president.

User rights are sets of tools trusted to certain members of the community to help them further contribute to the purpose of the wiki. They do not entitle power, authority, or diplomatic immunity. And administrators are not in charge of the community. For example, if the community votes for something like a policy change, what are the administrators going to do? They can't just say "no" to the entire community consensus, or the community will either suggest them for demotion for abuse of rights, or you'll see your community just leave. You have a very confused idea of how wikis work. You haven't been exposed to very many, are not open-minded, and have been absent from this wiki for several years. You forget who supported people for adminship, who the admins are using their rights to benefit, and who can choose to have the admin's rights removed. The answer to all three is the community. Administrators are nothing special compared to anyone else, they're simply users with some extra tools to help build the wiki, and to quote Jimmy Wales, adminship is no big deal. This wiki is not a normal wiki you must realize. We are based on the principles of the LEGO Message Boards, and this was created as a resource for LMB users to learn about the Message Boards, the users of the Message Boards, and the content of the Message Boards as being edited by users of the Message Boards, and since the users of the LMB's are children, we, being the admins, take on the role of the Moderators of the LMBs and it is our duty to keep this site safe for children. We were succesful for some time at this, but recently, the moderators have become angry with this site as aggravated by the Nashtron incident among other things and have begun blocking any mention of this site. That means that something went wrong. Something changed that went wrong. We need to change it back in order to keep our good standing with the community with which this wiki is meant to attract. Changing things to remove power from the admins is  NOT  a move in the right direction.

▂▃▅▆▇█▓▒░Eagleeyedan▒░▓█▇▆▅▃▂ This wiki is a normal online community. People like you who imagine it isn't is why people don't view it as such. Even the LEGO Message Boards are a normal online community. Just because the population is primarily made up of children doesn't make it unique or special. And Nashtron? Nothing changed that caused that big fiasco. What caused that is stupid members of the community. There will be those in any community. But that's not caused by the entire community. When something like that occurs, that's the proper time to use administrator rights to prevent abuse and disruption. But it appears you're blaming the community instead of yourself for that. Seeing as you realized that the Nashtron incident was abusive and disruptive, why did you not stop it? Instead you just blame the community for your own laziness. A change like this has nothing to do with that. A change like this is not what caused the Nashtron incident. If you're naturally so oblivious to this then that's unfortunate, but if you're just ignorantly excusing you and any other admins/moderators' laziness and blaming it on the community, that is not acceptable. Hey cmon Mikey, easy there. Calling EED "lazy" and community members "stupid" isn't going to get you anywhere. EED isn't saying LMBW is weird or that it needs to be bubble wrapped. He's saying every Wiki is unique and different, with different needs, and should be allowed to run their own way. They shouldn't have to completely conform to some exact standard, there should always be room for freedom and customization, like with a good business franchise. If you really wanted to help out around here, you should be trying to bring about good changes that specifically benefit this wiki, not trying to change this wiki to fit the mould of a generic wikia, or you would at least try to be impliment your ideas peacefully and slowly and caringly, not this forceful tone you have been taking. I really do not appreciate this at all. I was totally willing to believe you had changed from your old ways, but I'm not seeing a lot of that right now. No offense.