Board Thread:Community Discussions/@comment-5311834-20150428024139/@comment-25625534-20150612233947

Goggles99 wrote: FortressOfNight wrote: Now that months have actually passed since Goggs' promotion, I'd say it's fair to give some more feedback.

Now I would start rattling off things, but the problem is that there isn't much to say. As soon as he got admin, he started going inactive. He'll drop off the face of the wiki without notice for weeks at a time, which is problematic for admin discussions/votes which rely on him being active and participating. On the occasions that he is active, Ale and other admins will notify him of active discussions and votes, admin or simply community, but he tends to either ignore or not see such notifications. Ale in particular often gets frustrated after repeatedly contacting him about these issues without any acknowledgement or reply.

On the rare occasion that he has posted comments publicly on admin/community votes, he's been... less than satisfactory. In particular, his reply to the admin vote on Starrocks' Rec for Rights showed a lack of understanding of both the Rec for Rights and Req for Rights systems and how they are handled and was offensive to his fellow admins.

This is not the kind of conduct I think anyone wants to see from an admin - tardy, unprofessional, combative. While administrator roles are not as important as they previously were, a janitor who does not do his job leaves floors dirty and spiderwebs in the corners. It's problematic for everyone in the community. Well then, thanks for the feedback. I'd be interested to see how many agree with this.

Just gonna touch on a few of the things mentioned here. For one, the inactiveness: Well, due to my lifestyle, I find it very hard to keep a regular rhythm of activity. Some weeks I will be super active, and some weeks I will just be really busy. My availability is sketchy and unpredictable, and I apologize for that. I hope you can understand and bear with me.

I never ignore anything. I take all issues very seriously. And I always reply to Ale. I just sometimes forget to turn pings on in the Chat, and he gets annoyed with me and posts (UD)'s.

The one example you give of my "less than satisfactory" voting actions, I highly dispute. I humbly think I have a very capable understanding of the vote systems, and I often go in depth and examine the functioning of them, publically. If you read my posts in that thread, you'll see that, as I explained, I refused to vote because that vote system is evidently considered by many Admins to be an inferior voting system. That vote system will only ever work if it is treated as entirely seperate from any alternate methods of voting. The most obvious example of this being that if I voted support, then I would be accused of going against the wishes of the community, (as expressed by them in Star's prior ReqFR), yet if I voted oppose merely because I thought that's what the community wanted, then what is the point of that? The community is capable of saying what they want themselves, they have their own vote system, they should be allowed to use it. Also, a few other admins in that vote also voted Neutral. At least I actually went out of my way and took the time to explain my vote, even if anyone disagreed with it (which I'm fairly sure you don't, seeing as you expressed your personal distaste for Starrocks quite clearly on the thread).

P.S. Not trying to touch on whether one vote system is better than another. That discussion is totally for another place. I'm only trying to point out the small, ironic slice of redundancy, and the the lack of harmony between the two. "I refused to vote because that vote system is evidently considered by many Admins to be an inferior voting system. That vote system will only ever work if it is treated as entirely seperate from any alternate methods of voting."

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you saying that the system should be ignored because it's "considered inferior" by many admins? As I noted in my reply, the established process was being followed, and you were simply creating problems by refusing to partake in it due to factors which have no effect on its legitimacy as a process.

"The most obvious example of this being that if I voted support, then I would be accused of going against the wishes of the community, (as expressed by them in Star's prior ReqFR), yet if I voted oppose merely because I thought that's what the community wanted, then what is the point of that?"

Except you wouldn't. People voted both support and oppose for differing reasons and nobody was accused of anything. You can vote oppose for any reason you like, ensuring it's valid, whether it be because of the community or your own views on how he may perform as a CM.

"The community is capable of saying what they want themselves, they have their own vote system, they should be allowed to use it."

They are. The reason we ended up with a RecFR vote at all is because Star refused to make a ReqFR and insisted he go through the RecFR process instead. All blame, if there is any blaming to be done here, should fall on him.

"(which I'm fairly sure you don't, seeing as you expressed your personal distaste for Starrocks quite clearly on the thread)."

Does it matter? I wouldn't care if his RecFR passed in a landslide majority and no opposes as long as the process was followed, which you were obstructing needlessly.