Thread:Obi the LEGO Fan/@comment-25625534-20150419010713/@comment-4964341-20150421033023

Madkatmaximus wrote: Keplers wrote: Madkatmaximus wrote: Keplers wrote: Madkatmaximus wrote: Keplers wrote: Madkatmaximus wrote: Keplers wrote: Madkatmaximus wrote: Keplers wrote: Madkatmaximus wrote: Keplers wrote: Madkatmaximus wrote: Keplers wrote: Whoawhoawhoawhoawhoa. This just goes off the rails.

To open, let pull up a beautiful argument:

*troll* "Hey stop trolling!" "Common sense policy. The only one causing disruption is you."

Anyway...

I totally agree with Neh here, and it seems like you people are getting on him for stating his beliefs that this place's morals have drastically dropped compared to better days he remembers. That's a pretty sucky thing to do.

Ava shouldn't have continued the argument, but honestly you people shouldn't be making such a big deal about it anyway.

What I see in the log was Neh disappointed with the quality of chat. At 12:10, Tone then outright mocks him for being mature.

Neh was trying to laugh and still keep up humor despite how depressing he found the condition of chat. Hence "weeaboos." And really, TBH, it feels so many people here are gay or bisexual or pansexual, especially compared to a time a couple years ago when nobody could imagine that another user was.

"Don't feel the troll." I don't think I've seen a more blatant insult to someone genuinely concerned about this place.

And Avalair actually had a point: you all need to stop being so offended. Everyone is offended all the time at something. Again, he should have stopped when Mad told him to stop.

Also... After Mad tells Ava to stop, I don't even see Neh in the log. First point: That isn't how the common sense policy works. We've explained this to you before.

Second point: As we have stated many, many times, apparently you have not yet figured out that we could care less that he was stating his opinions. He's perfectly free to do that within reason; he was doing so in a manner that was getting more and more condescending and disruptive and was ignoring multiple warnings to drop it. The fact he was speaking his mind is not the reason this is an issue.

Third point: Yes, he was disappointed. Nothing wrong with that. Also as I've stated in above comments I never said nobody else was in the wrong, some of the people on the opposing side were being just as provocative, and they're not being excused.

Even if what he said was intended to be "humourous" it was still offensive whether you see it that way or not. The second sentence here is frankly absurd, yes there are many LGBT people here and most of us have been here for a while. The reason it wasn't spoken about back then was because of the community - back then you could be banned simply for supporting us. To think that LGBT individuals being here is a new thing is ridiculous.

Neh was not exactly trolling, true, but he was being disrespectful and disruptive. So while he may not be a troll, the principle of that phrase applied.

Nobody was offended - that statement completely came out of nowhere, and when we said this, he said "Well maybe I'M offended" which is getting incredibly old. There's a difference in asking people to stop being offensive and actually being offended by their words. I sure as hell didn't see him getting nearly as condescending as Von was. It really looks like you're hitting him because you have the majority behind you when it comes to disagreeing with him.

... How is "weeaboo" offensive?! I don't fully agree with his usage of gay, but really people, get over it. Some of you people make jokes that I find offensive all the time and I never open my mouth because you'll just shut it out as the majority. And really, come on. I doubt that very highly. I was there.

You missed the point. Neh was upset with the cintent of this place and got called a troll for it. Now I'll probably be called a troll for defending him, but whatever.

He still has a point that you seem to take offense toward thing really often... As I said in my previous comments I'm not excusing others. This isn't about them however, this is about Neh and Ava.

I'm not referring to the weeaboo comments, rather the others. Even so, a mod should never engage in jokes that may offend other people, and this is something that Neh has been in trouble for repeatedly, so this is inexcusable.

I and many of the others have been around for many years. As I said due to the harsh community they were just quiet about it, so your comment really only reinforces my point.

I didn't miss the point. I'm aware that they called him a troll.

Nope, my point still stands. Sure. What due punishment are they getting that hasn't been discussed in this blog?

I still think you all need to get over it. It seems like a conservative- or Christian-backed statement is fair game for mockery, but once you use the word "gay" wrong, all hell runs loose.

I, AGAIN, doubt very highly that'd you'd have been punished for merely being homosexual. It seems like these days the community is growing to be almost as harsh toward morals I stand for.

Aaand?

.. Yes, but it doesn't invalidate my point. The situation is over with. Nobody is getting "Punished", that's not the way bans work.

No, it is not. Mockery toward anything like that is not tolerated just as mockery toward LGBT isn't tolerated. This isn't a case of "Getting over it", it's a case of having a CM who thinks these kind of actions are perfectly okay for him to do.

Yes, my statement about being banned was exaggerated so that was a mistake on my part. And yes, more and more people people are stepping up to people who are insensitive or offensive toward LGBT users. There's a difference in stating "I believe homosexuality is wrong" and being outright rude about it; there's nothing wrong with the former and it shouldn't cause people to go crazy but sadly it does. We can't and should certainly not attempt to force people to agree with our beliefs, that's wrong. You can civilly disagree with someone without being rude, and both sides are guilty of this.

What else is there to add...?

Again, there's a difference in being offended and telling someone to cease offensive behaviour. Just what I thought. No punishment for the people arguably worse, but we must demote the troublemaking CMs!

I'll believe that when you actually stop tolerating those jokes. Until then, you should tolerate Neh's just as much.

But I don't think Neh even once said that.

That's my point, per my first paragraph.

I acknowledge that. Yes, demote the trouble making CMs and warn the users being rude. Why is demoting trouble making CMs bad?

I already don't and I also don't get what you're trying to get here. if you see these kind of jokes being made report them, don't complain about them later as that's completely pointless.

Neh has been plenty offensive in the past regarding such things.

Still not sure where you're going with this.

And same for this. Because he was not the problem here. He was instigated by and sucked into saying something immature and quite frankly harmless by others, and for that you are going to demote him.

Mhm.

But he hasn't here.

Even if he was instigated, that doesn't excuse it. Chat mods should be able to handle it and once again as I said, if he had just warned the instigators and remained civil literally none of this would have been a problem in the first place.
 * Sigh* Exactly. You fail to see the real problem.

Actually, he has, and he's been in trouble for it before.

What exactly are you trying to say is the real problem? He was trying to laugh it off instead of use discipline, and failed. He remained far more civil than the instigators ever did; all he did was make a bad joke.

Please name the timestamp in the log where he has said that here in this situation.

The real problem would be those who, like Tone, just went right into mockery instead of being civil. And he should know better by now as once again he's been warned for this kind of behaviour before.

I'm not talking about in this log specifically, talking about past instances.

And I acknowledge that was problematic. But he didn't have to resort to the same. I still don't see enough reason to demote him.

I already don't and I also don't get what you're trying to get here. if you see these kind of jokes being made report them, don't complain about them later as that's completely pointless.

He sure as hell didn't resort to the same. He lightheartedly said a few sentences of some gay joke while people were completely trashing him. He keeps getting warned for the same problems repeatedly. That's plenty reason to demote anyone.

Not sure why you're quoting me here - They were reported at the time as I already said and I'm not complaining about them now, merely pointing out that they've happened before.

My statement that he could have stopped it still stands. He didn't, and that's why this is still a problem. I unfortunately must cede those points.