Board Thread:Community Voting/@comment-30683785-20160814015027/@comment-29433180-20160817092452

HyperFlash Studios wrote: Roddy15 wrote: Brick425 wrote: Roddy15 wrote: Brick425 wrote: I think we should. Admins should listen to the community more, so I feel we should submit the idea for a user to be banned if there's good support and see what happens. If it gets passed, the admins ban that user. If not, they don't. This is just a bad idea. Doing this basically make admins pointless and the way this could be abused is just ridiculous. The community should not be the ones deciding who is banned and who isn't since that just opens it up to witch hunting. It's already been pointed out a million times that petitions aren't binding contracts for admins. They don't have to listen. The reason I'm supporting is so we can have our voices heard by them, and at least have them consider something. I agree that if this did let the community decide, it might lead to witch hunting. But the community isn't deciding anything.

I know what a petition is...

My response is to your post in particular which is not what this vote is on but it seems to be something people agree with.

Your post suggests admins should ban a user if the community show a level of support for it. That idea completely undermines authority.

As for the petitions and this vote, I am against any move that lets the community have any say even on advisory level when it comes to problem users. So the admins souldn't take into consideration what the community wants at all? They should just ignore the people who voted them in to their position and make any and all decisions without any external input? It just seems like you don't want anything to do with democracy or bureaucracy for the wiki. If that's the case, you have your opinions and we have ours. There is a middle ground between ignorance and wholesale Athenian democracy. A good admin team would be able to listen to the informal complaints/suggestions of the users and act based on that.

As has already been stated, the admins have been turned from decision-makers (the point of admins) into the dogs of the user base (halting any decision the admins make and holding it to an arbitrary vote).

Democracy is good, but there come points where there is too much democracy and it only slows down the process. Can you imagine all the citizens of a town getting together to vote on city laws? Because that's what you've done, and you're now incorporating a system where the police are forced to consider arresting a person based on vote (which is weird because you can still bring an unofficial petition to the admin team regarding a user and only waste the time of people you PM about this...).