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Riolu777·3/6/2015 in Community Voting

Admin Discussions moved to the Wiki

This vote is for gauging the community's perspective on whether or not we admins should move almost all of our discussions (except those that necessitate secrecy, such as IP checks and the like) onto the wiki, thanks to Bourgeoisie's call for this with his recent blog, as well as sentiments voiced by me and Obi the LEGO Fan. This vote would further transparency and community involvement. A possible con for this arrangement, however, could be enlarged arguments amongst users. This vote would not mean that it's a done deal, though, as we admins would need to fully support this as it would be a large undertaking. One I think would be worth it, personally.

A) Yes: 21 votes

B) No: 16 votes

C) Neutral: 1 vote

Reasons aren't required but please supply your thoughts. Admins, please do so as well.

EDIT: Here's a draft of policy to go with this admin discussions forum, which would be called Community Discussions.

" 1. All discussions that take place in this forum are discussions that impact the entire community, and are the only discussions allowed in Community Discussions. This includes discourse over policies, user rights, MoS, wiki features, skins, etc.

2. Discussions not allowed to take place in Community Discussions, and instead in the private admin site, are those that pertain to things that do not affect the entire community or necessitate secrecy. This includes the beginning stages of deliberating about potential sockpuppets and IP checks.

3. All forum rules apply, and with a special stressing on there being no fighting, flame wars, personal attacks, etc. Civil conversations are to be espoused at all times. "

Result: Community Discussions board created. Admin discussions will begin to commence in said board, all of which visible to the community and open to opining and discourse from the community.

(Edited by Riolu777)

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Bourgeoisie·3/17/2015

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Whaaaat? So even if the community voted for something, the admins can just say "nah" and push it aside if they don't like it?

The way it's set up currently is that it requires a unanimous consensus amongst admins to override the community. Fortunately, there are some admins who will never try to override the community, so it's pretty much impossible.

Even with some sane admins in the community, I don't like that they're able to override the community at all. Even if it's not likely to happen, it shouldn't be able to happen.

(Edited by Bourgeoisie)

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Obi the LEGO Fan·3/17/2015

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Whaaaat? So even if the community voted for something, the admins can just say "nah" and push it aside if they don't like it?

The way it's set up currently is that it requires a unanimous consensus amongst admins to override the community. Fortunately, there are some admins who will never try to override the community, so it's pretty much impossible.

Even with some sane admins in the community, I don't like that they're able to override the community at all. Even if it's not likely to happen, it shouldn't be able to happen.

I absolutely agree. The only way to change it is by a community vote, however, as the majority of admins are highly unlikely to approve such a change.

(Edited by Obi the LEGO Fan)

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FortressOfNight·3/17/2015

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Right. From this point on I'm seriously not participating in any wiki politics. If this is the kind of scum we have running this place, I want absolutely no part of it.

(Edited by FortressOfNight)

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Bourgeoisie·3/17/2015

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Whaaaat? So even if the community voted for something, the admins can just say "nah" and push it aside if they don't like it?

The way it's set up currently is that it requires a unanimous consensus amongst admins to override the community. Fortunately, there are some admins who will never try to override the community, so it's pretty much impossible.

Even with some sane admins in the community, I don't like that they're able to override the community at all. Even if it's not likely to happen, it shouldn't be able to happen.

I absolutely agree. The only way to change it is by a community vote, however, as the majority of admins are highly unlikely to approve such a change.

So in other words this is impossible to be changed? The admins can basically reject a community proposal that takes a power away from the administrators?

(Edited by Bourgeoisie)

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Obi the LEGO Fan·3/17/2015

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Whaaaat? So even if the community voted for something, the admins can just say "nah" and push it aside if they don't like it?

The way it's set up currently is that it requires a unanimous consensus amongst admins to override the community. Fortunately, there are some admins who will never try to override the community, so it's pretty much impossible.

Even with some sane admins in the community, I don't like that they're able to override the community at all. Even if it's not likely to happen, it shouldn't be able to happen.

I absolutely agree. The only way to change it is by a community vote, however, as the majority of admins are highly unlikely to approve such a change.

So in other words this is impossible to be changed? The admins can basically reject a community proposal that takes a power away from the administrators?

No. If the community voted to take power away from administrators, I would vote against an attempt to override it. So if the community votes to remove the rule allowing admins to override the community, then it will be removed.

(Edited by Obi the LEGO Fan)

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Bourgeoisie·3/17/2015

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Whaaaat? So even if the community voted for something, the admins can just say "nah" and push it aside if they don't like it?

The way it's set up currently is that it requires a unanimous consensus amongst admins to override the community. Fortunately, there are some admins who will never try to override the community, so it's pretty much impossible.

Even with some sane admins in the community, I don't like that they're able to override the community at all. Even if it's not likely to happen, it shouldn't be able to happen.

I absolutely agree. The only way to change it is by a community vote, however, as the majority of admins are highly unlikely to approve such a change.

So in other words this is impossible to be changed? The admins can basically reject a community proposal that takes a power away from the administrators?

No. If the community voted to take power away from administrators, I would vote against an attempt to override it. So if the community votes to remove the rule allowing admins to override the community, then it will be removed.

Very good.

(Edited by Bourgeoisie)

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Nehpets7000·3/17/2015

FortressOfNight wrote:

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Right. From this point on I'm seriously not participating in any wiki politics. If this is the kind of scum we have running this place, I want absolutely no part of it.

Way to just take cheap shots at our admin team.

(Edited by Nehpets7000)

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Bourgeoisie·3/17/2015

Nehpets7000 wrote:

FortressOfNight wrote:

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Right. From this point on I'm seriously not participating in any wiki politics. If this is the kind of scum we have running this place, I want absolutely no part of it.

Way to just take cheap shots at our admin team.

It's a fair enough opinion and remark...

(Edited by Bourgeoisie)

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Vonness11`·3/17/2015

Bourgeoisie wrote:

Nehpets7000 wrote:

FortressOfNight wrote:

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Right. From this point on I'm seriously not participating in any wiki politics. If this is the kind of scum we have running this place, I want absolutely no part of it.

Way to just take cheap shots at our admin team.

It's a fair enough opinion and remark...

Per Bourg, and he didn't even mean the entire admin team.

(Edited by Vonness11`)

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FortressOfNight·3/17/2015

Nehpets7000 wrote:

FortressOfNight wrote:

Drew1200 wrote: I've completely opposed having the community as the final authority.

Right. From this point on I'm seriously not participating in any wiki politics. If this is the kind of scum we have running this place, I want absolutely no part of it.

Way to just take cheap shots at our admin team.

Lol no, just the ones who think the community isn't capable of taking care of itself and want to hold ultimate power over them in every decision.

(Edited by FortressOfNight)