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ZXSpidermanXZ·10/12/2015 in Community Voting

Bureaucrat RFR Requirements Vote

So I decided to make this vote after speaking with a lot of users. I believe the requirements for Buro RFRs is a bit extreme. I mean we have like 30 active community members as it is right now. :P And I've been an admin for different communities for years. Trust me when I say you don't need 6 months to determine if someone is a good admin. :P

So we'll have three different parts to this vote.

Should we shorten the amount of admin experience one needs to request for buro?

A: Yes: 3 months: 14 votes

B: No: 8 votes

C: Yes: Other?

Should we shorten the amount of supports needed for buro?

A: Yes: 25: 13 votes

B: No: 8 votes

C: Yes: Other?: 2 votes (20 Supports)

Should we shorten the amount of time needed to make another RFR after a failed RFR for buro?

A: Yes: 8 Weeks: 14 votes

B: No: 9 votes

C: Yes: Other?

Consensus

3 onths of admin experience needed to request buro rights. 25 supports needed to be successful 8 weeks must pass after a failed buro RFR to post a new one

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Jdude420·10/14/2015

Yeah, that's your opinion, hence why I said "IMO". In my opinion Buros are more than just users with more rights.

I already voted. Thread:242561#14 :P

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ZXSpidermanXZ·10/14/2015

Jdude420 wrote: Yeah, that's your opinion, hence why I said "IMO". In my opinion Buros are more than just users with more rights.

I already voted. Thread:242561#14 :P

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Aravis Tarkheena·10/14/2015

B, A, A

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Madkatmaximus·10/15/2015

If they were leaders, they would have final say on votes, RfRs, etc, however we had a vote that was explicitly for disallowing vetoes like that and as such admins, and in effect buros, do not have a more important opinion than community members with no special rights. In reality, all buro rights really are is one more right that admins do not possess, and inability to be demoted by anyone besides staff. I would say that a buro position proves you are one of the more trusted admins by the community, but while it may have been in the past, it is not a leadership position.

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FortressOfNight·10/15/2015

Madkatmaximus wrote: If they were leaders, they would have final say on votes, RfRs, etc, however we had a vote that was explicitly for disallowing vetoes like that and as such admins, and in effect buros, do not have a more important opinion than community members with no special rights. In reality, all buro rights really are is one more right that admins do not possess, and inability to be demoted by anyone besides staff. I would say that a buro position proves you are one of the more trusted admins by the community, but while it may have been in the past, it is not a leadership position.

^^

inb4 jdude restates "it's my opinion"

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Jdude420·10/15/2015

@Fort,

And is that a problem? To have an opinion that differs from your own on some subject/matter? I have my reasoning for my opinion(s), you have yours, I don't see the issue.

I'm not even trying to argue or start a debate with anyone here, I simply stated my opinion.

@Mad,

I don't feel Buros are more leaders, than just Admins with a couple more rights, because Buros have more 'physical' power over decisions in/on/around the community, but because I feel they are more supposed to be leaders in the 'personal and individual' (for lack of better words at this time) way, not the Bureaucratic workings of the Wiki way. This is why I prefer maximum community support for elected Buros in the future.

Again, I will say that in no way am I trying to start a debate on this matter, I simply stated my opinion, and since someone desired to challenge it with their reasons for their opposing opinion I figured I might as well state my reasons. We have differing opinions, with our own reasons, we're not going to change our opinions on this matter - why debate over it? Just trying to nip it in the bud, so to say.

«†J•cI•u•cI•e•420†» ^(Wall) -Retired Bureaucrat

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FortressOfNight·10/16/2015

Jdude420 wrote: And is that a problem? To have an opinion that differs from your own on some subject/matter? I have my reasoning for my opinion(s), you have yours, I don't see the issue.

I'm not even trying to argue or start a debate with anyone here, I simply stated my opinion.

I don't feel Buros are more leaders, than just Admins with a couple more rights, because Buros have more 'physical' power over decisions in/on/around the community, but because I feel they are more supposed to be leaders in the 'personal and individual' (for lack of better words at this time) way, not the Bureaucratic workings of the Wiki way. This is why I prefer maximum community support for elected Buros in the future.

Again, I will say that in no way am I trying to start a debate on this matter, I simply stated my opinion, and since someone desired to challenge it with their reasons for their opposing opinion I figured I might as well state my reasons. We have differing opinions, with our own reasons, we're not going to change our opinions on this matter - why debate over it? Just trying to nip it in the bud, so to say.

«†J•cI•u•cI•e•420†» ^(Wall) -Retired Bureaucrat

dude. calm down?

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Jdude420·10/16/2015

What? I am perfectly calm. Want me to just roll-over to your poking comment toward me of "inb4 jdude restates "it's my opinion""?

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Goggles99·10/17/2015

B, B, B.

Actually "leadership" is not just determined by rights or abilities alone. A lot of it is determined by public perception. That is where the true "power" of leadership lies (in a democratic system at least). Not in actual rights or abilities.

Since Crat is literally the final rung in a local wiki rights ladder, that entails a certain high public image whether you like it or not. People will refer to them as "the Bureaucrats", and people will go to them for the very largest issues that arise on their wiki. So yeah, that level of responsibility is undeniably a pretty big deal and should actually be taken seriously.

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Goggles99·10/17/2015

Aravis Tarkheena wrote:
B, A, A

You sound like a sheep

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