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<p>So a while ago, we had some revotes on the CMs and Admins that weren't voted on by the RFR process that didn't do much. But recently some discussion has risen about the performance of some moderators. While some think that the problem is in the policy, most think that the problem lay in the actual moderators. This vote is on making an actual revote of all of the mods that will be posted in the demotions forum. The way it will work is that everyone will vote on every active mod. If the mod gets at least a 60 per cent support, they will keep their rights, but if they get a lower support they will get demoted.
</p><p>Should we have a revote on the chat moderators?
</p><p>Yes: 14 votes
</p><p>No: 18 votes
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<div class="quote">Man.city1 wrote:
No. It's unfair a select few people WANT to get rid of us. And this has been discussed on chat. With a couple users wanting to bin most of us (this includes an admin). You people had one vote, it's enough. Stop trying to bin us off. If you don't agree with all these CMs, demote yourself. Simple as that.</div> <p>Great, I was already on edge about whether or not I was going to vote to have you demoted and now I'm pretty sure my decision has been made. Thanks for making it easy. </p>
No. It's unfair a select few people WANT to get rid of us. And this has been discussed on chat. With a couple users wanting to bin most of us (this includes an admin). You people had one vote, it's enough. Stop trying to bin us off. If you don't agree with all these CMs, demote yourself. Simple as that.</div> <p>Great, I was already on edge about whether or not I was going to vote to have you demoted and now I'm pretty sure my decision has been made. Thanks for making it easy. </p>
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<div class="quote">Man.city1 wrote:
No. It's unfair a select few people WANT to get rid of us. And this has been discussed on chat. With a couple users wanting to bin most of us (this includes an admin). You people had one vote, it's enough. Stop trying to bin us off. If you don't agree with all these CMs, demote yourself. Simple as that.</div> <p>Great, I was already on edge about whether or not I was going to vote to have you demoted and now I'm pretty sure my decision has been made. Thanks for making it easy. </p> </div> <p>+1 </p>
No. It's unfair a select few people WANT to get rid of us. And this has been discussed on chat. With a couple users wanting to bin most of us (this includes an admin). You people had one vote, it's enough. Stop trying to bin us off. If you don't agree with all these CMs, demote yourself. Simple as that.</div> <p>Great, I was already on edge about whether or not I was going to vote to have you demoted and now I'm pretty sure my decision has been made. Thanks for making it easy. </p> </div> <p>+1 </p>
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<p>I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.
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<div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div> <p>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. </p><p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p>
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div> <p>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. </p><p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p>
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<p>I suppose I should vote (C), because I'm not entirely sure myself. I'm honestly open to revoting if everyone else wants to, but I'll keep an eye on this thread.
</p><p>EDIT: I think I'll go ahead and vote A because I'm up for a vote, even if there's no one I want to demote. It's good to have periodic checks on CMs from time to time.
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<div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div> <p>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. </p><p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p> </div> <p>So we're going to get rid of good CMs simply because we have too many? How does that not turn into a blatant popularity contest? </p>
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div> <p>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. </p><p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p> </div> <p>So we're going to get rid of good CMs simply because we have too many? How does that not turn into a blatant popularity contest? </p>
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<div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>TheShadowAssassin wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. <p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p> </div>So we're going to get rid of good CMs simply because we have too many? How does that not turn into a blatant popularity contest? </div> <p>Loney makes a good point here. Maybe we should demote inactive CMs who haven't used their Rights in a year or so or have retired for good? </p>
<div class="quote"> <p>TheShadowAssassin wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. <p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p> </div>So we're going to get rid of good CMs simply because we have too many? How does that not turn into a blatant popularity contest? </div> <p>Loney makes a good point here. Maybe we should demote inactive CMs who haven't used their Rights in a year or so or have retired for good? </p>
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<div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>TheShadowAssassin wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. <p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p> </div>So we're going to get rid of good CMs simply because we have too many? How does that not turn into a blatant popularity contest? </div> <p>Not all CMs are good, and some CMs perform better than others. And yeah, of course it'll be a popularity contest, unless we allow the administrators to decide who to demote (which is what I personally prefer). </p>
<div class="quote"> <p>TheShadowAssassin wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. <p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p> </div>So we're going to get rid of good CMs simply because we have too many? How does that not turn into a blatant popularity contest? </div> <p>Not all CMs are good, and some CMs perform better than others. And yeah, of course it'll be a popularity contest, unless we allow the administrators to decide who to demote (which is what I personally prefer). </p>
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Seriously... I'm going to say no. I don't see what's wrong with the actual mods.
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<div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>TheShadowAssassin wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. <p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p> </div>So we're going to get rid of good CMs simply because we have too many? How does that not turn into a blatant popularity contest? </div> <p>Not all CMs are good, and some CMs perform better than others. And yeah, of course it'll be a popularity contest, unless we allow the administrators to decide who to demote (which is what I personally prefer). </p> </div> <p>As an admin, I don't see a downside to letting as many good users as possible have rights to deal with trolls, rulebreakers ect, so demoting anyone for any reason other than that they aren't doing their job properly feels unnecessary and like a step back. And if someone ISN'T doing their job properly, contact an admin. Let us know you have concerns about that person and we will definitely act accordingly. </p>
<div class="quote"> <p>TheShadowAssassin wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Loney 97 wrote:
I would much rather demotions be carried out singularly, with users approaching the admins with actual evidence of misconduct, ect, rather than turning this all into a huge popularity contest. A vote feels too simple and too easy, there's no actual evidence involved... It just feels wrong. All these people were either painstakingly voted in by either the admins or the users, there were no hasty decisions made here to vote them in, and I don't think hasty decisions should be made in voting them out. This is just an excuse for users to vote to off their fellows without feeling like they're being mean in the process - that's not necessary. Any CMs should welcome criticism, part of their job is using user feedback to improve. And if you have ANY concerns, TELL AN ADMIN so we can keep an eye on that person to see how they are doing their job. We don't need to hide behind little A or B votes here.</div>I don't want to hold a revote because I don't think certain CMs are doing a well enough job, rather I want to hold a revote because I simply believe that we need to thin the number of CMs that we currently have. <p>And I won't "hide" behind A and B votes. If you want reasons, I'll give you reasons. </p> </div>So we're going to get rid of good CMs simply because we have too many? How does that not turn into a blatant popularity contest? </div> <p>Not all CMs are good, and some CMs perform better than others. And yeah, of course it'll be a popularity contest, unless we allow the administrators to decide who to demote (which is what I personally prefer). </p> </div> <p>As an admin, I don't see a downside to letting as many good users as possible have rights to deal with trolls, rulebreakers ect, so demoting anyone for any reason other than that they aren't doing their job properly feels unnecessary and like a step back. And if someone ISN'T doing their job properly, contact an admin. Let us know you have concerns about that person and we will definitely act accordingly. </p>
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