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ALL POSTSStopping Use of the Admin Site
<p>So this vote is regarding use of the admin site. Apparently it is used for admins to discuss blocks and bans, but there are several problems with it. Firstly, most of the blocks and bans are discussed on the wiki itself, and I think that except in extreme cases, users here would think that the admins shouldn't keep secrets about the issue, especially if they decide against the community and don't explain why. Another issue with this is that, apparently, admins that are hardly active in the community (if at all) still get to vote on issues in the site, even if they're ignorant about the current state of the wiki. Finally, the admin site was discovered by trolls for the eighth(?) time recently, so obviously it can't be kept secret.
</p><p>Should the admins stop use of the admin, and move admin discussion onto the wiki?
</p><p>A) Yes: 11 votes
</p><p>B) No: 18 votes
</p><p>C) Neutral: 2 votes
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Consensus">Consensus</span></h2>
<p>No
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<div class="quote">Michaelyoda wrote:
Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. <p>B </p> </div> <p>That petition is a prime example that maybe certain admins should start cleaning up the mess here rather than going to their little hideout to "discuss" it and letting the situation deteriorate. </p><p>And yes, for your first sentence, you're damn right. But a complete site off of the wiki is not the way to go about it. </p>
Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. <p>B </p> </div> <p>That petition is a prime example that maybe certain admins should start cleaning up the mess here rather than going to their little hideout to "discuss" it and letting the situation deteriorate. </p><p>And yes, for your first sentence, you're damn right. But a complete site off of the wiki is not the way to go about it. </p>
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<p>Michaelyoda wrote:
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<div class="quote">Riolu777 wrote:
Is there any other wiki on Wikia (excuse me, <i>Fandom</i>) that has a "secret" off-site location to discuss information? Aside from us?</div> <p>Are any of us an admin on a decently sized wiki? Aside from us?
</p> </div> <p>Hi, was a bureaucrat on a relatively large wiki for a time; it outranked LMBW according to some Wikia ranking system. </p>
Is there any other wiki on Wikia (excuse me, <i>Fandom</i>) that has a "secret" off-site location to discuss information? Aside from us?</div> <p>Are any of us an admin on a decently sized wiki? Aside from us?
</p> </div> <p>Hi, was a bureaucrat on a relatively large wiki for a time; it outranked LMBW according to some Wikia ranking system. </p>
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<div class="quote">Michaelyoda wrote:
<div class="quote">Riolu777 wrote:
Is there any other wiki on Wikia (excuse me, <i>Fandom</i>) that has a "secret" off-site location to discuss information? Aside from us?</div>Are any of us an admin on a decently sized wiki? Aside from us?
</div> <p>I used to be an administrator for a couple years on a forum not hosted on wikia, and I did deal with issues pertaining to the community and such, so not much different from here. We averaged a few hundred users daily during that time. </p>
<div class="quote">Riolu777 wrote:
Is there any other wiki on Wikia (excuse me, <i>Fandom</i>) that has a "secret" off-site location to discuss information? Aside from us?</div>Are any of us an admin on a decently sized wiki? Aside from us?
</div> <p>I used to be an administrator for a couple years on a forum not hosted on wikia, and I did deal with issues pertaining to the community and such, so not much different from here. We averaged a few hundred users daily during that time. </p>
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<div class="quote">TheShadowAssassin wrote:
<div class="quote">Michaelyoda wrote:
Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. <p>B </p> </div>That petition is a prime example that maybe certain admins should start cleaning up the mess here rather than going to their little hideout to "discuss" it and letting the situation deteriorate. <p>And yes, for your first sentence, you're damn right. But a complete site off of the wiki is not the way to go about it. </p> </div> <p>Which is why I definitely think email would be sufficient for only the most sensitive of info.
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<div class="quote">Michaelyoda wrote:
Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. <p>B </p> </div>That petition is a prime example that maybe certain admins should start cleaning up the mess here rather than going to their little hideout to "discuss" it and letting the situation deteriorate. <p>And yes, for your first sentence, you're damn right. But a complete site off of the wiki is not the way to go about it. </p> </div> <p>Which is why I definitely think email would be sufficient for only the most sensitive of info.
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<div class="quote">Riolu777 wrote:
<div class="quote">TheShadowAssassin wrote:
<div class="quote">Michaelyoda wrote:
Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. <p>B </p> </div>That petition is a prime example that maybe certain admins should start cleaning up the mess here rather than going to their little hideout to "discuss" it and letting the situation deteriorate. <p>And yes, for your first sentence, you're damn right. But a complete site off of the wiki is not the way to go about it. </p> </div>Which is why I definitely think email would be sufficient for only the most sensitive of info.
</div> <p>That's what we used when I was administrator of the forum that I mentioned previously. Communication was not always necessary because we always had specific rules in place to govern ourselves with, making decision-making typically an easy, foolproof, and straightforward process. However, there were a few extreme instances in which a discussion was necessary, and for that, we simply used email. </p>
<div class="quote">TheShadowAssassin wrote:
<div class="quote">Michaelyoda wrote:
Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. <p>B </p> </div>That petition is a prime example that maybe certain admins should start cleaning up the mess here rather than going to their little hideout to "discuss" it and letting the situation deteriorate. <p>And yes, for your first sentence, you're damn right. But a complete site off of the wiki is not the way to go about it. </p> </div>Which is why I definitely think email would be sufficient for only the most sensitive of info.
</div> <p>That's what we used when I was administrator of the forum that I mentioned previously. Communication was not always necessary because we always had specific rules in place to govern ourselves with, making decision-making typically an easy, foolproof, and straightforward process. However, there were a few extreme instances in which a discussion was necessary, and for that, we simply used email. </p>
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<div class="quote">Slicer Vorzakh wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>Michaelyoda wrote: Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. </p><p>B </p> </div>That peition was mainly the result of the admins not doing anything for several wees while claiming they were dealing with it on the admin site. </div> <p>I'm not referring to the petition itself, but rather the resulting mess of a comment section.
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<div class="quote"> <p>Michaelyoda wrote: Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. </p><p>B </p> </div>That peition was mainly the result of the admins not doing anything for several wees while claiming they were dealing with it on the admin site. </div> <p>I'm not referring to the petition itself, but rather the resulting mess of a comment section.
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<div class="quote">TheShadowAssassin wrote:
<div class="quote">Riolu777 wrote:
<div class="quote">TheShadowAssassin wrote:
<div class="quote">Michaelyoda wrote:
Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. <p>B </p> </div>That petition is a prime example that maybe certain admins should start cleaning up the mess here rather than going to their little hideout to "discuss" it and letting the situation deteriorate. <p>And yes, for your first sentence, you're damn right. But a complete site off of the wiki is not the way to go about it. </p> </div>Which is why I definitely think email would be sufficient for only the most sensitive of info.
</div>That's what we used when I was administrator of the forum that I mentioned previously. Communication was not always necessary because we always had specific rules in place to govern ourselves with, making decision-making typically an easy, foolproof, and straightforward process. However, there were a few extreme instances in which a discussion was necessary, and for that, we simply used email. </div> <p>So instead of discussing private matters off-site on another forum, the suggestion is to discuss private matters off-site through email? </p>
<div class="quote">Riolu777 wrote:
<div class="quote">TheShadowAssassin wrote:
<div class="quote">Michaelyoda wrote:
Per Alemas and EED. Anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows when to discuss certain things with the entire group, and when to discuss it with other leaders. Discussing crap on individuals in front of the entire community only leads to a freaking mess, an example being the petition to block nya a while back. <p>B </p> </div>That petition is a prime example that maybe certain admins should start cleaning up the mess here rather than going to their little hideout to "discuss" it and letting the situation deteriorate. <p>And yes, for your first sentence, you're damn right. But a complete site off of the wiki is not the way to go about it. </p> </div>Which is why I definitely think email would be sufficient for only the most sensitive of info.
</div>That's what we used when I was administrator of the forum that I mentioned previously. Communication was not always necessary because we always had specific rules in place to govern ourselves with, making decision-making typically an easy, foolproof, and straightforward process. However, there were a few extreme instances in which a discussion was necessary, and for that, we simply used email. </div> <p>So instead of discussing private matters off-site on another forum, the suggestion is to discuss private matters off-site through email? </p>
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<p>You guys know what drama is, right
</p><p>And you guys know that drama is prevented by not telling people unnecessary things that will get gossiped about
</p><p>And you guys know what common sense is, I hope
</p><p>I'm not voting, but think carefully and then vote B pls
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<p>A. Although, personally I don't like the idea of using the admin chat. . . at all. It feels alienating from the rest of the community. Almost as if there's a secret council, and I just don't see a need for it? However, I feel as if it serves a point to the people that want to get a point out of it. Sharing private things that users shouldn't know for personal/security reasons, and discussing things that users just wouldn't care about.
</p><p>One thing that I would prefer is if our admin team used an app - Namely Slack. :P That would be a better way to discuss things.
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