Now I know what you're thinking, but honestly, it seems so ridiculously silly to vote on everything, and it would be much easier to just make CVs for things like policy modifications and not really need a vote for every single little thing. If the admins want to do something, then fine, let them. If someone wants to ask the admins if they can start a weekly blog to show up in the news, then who cares? There's so much excessive democracy that it literally gets in the way of actually enjoying this place. I'd like to hear your detailed thoughts on the matter so that we can hopefully figure out a solution that doesn't require making a vote on everything.
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Purplebrick333 wrote:
Keplers wrote:
Then don't advocate it. Advocate a system that befits the reality, not the ideal. That's where people start advocating insane things like ancap or Marxism and expecting the world to work smoothly.
Purplebrick333 wrote:
Keplers wrote:
Then why is there so much controversy surrounding their bans/blocks and other decisions?
I said SHOULD. Doesn't mean we DO.
Purplebrick333 wrote:
Brick425 wrote:
We voted for a good deal of our Admins to have their rights. We should be willing to follow their lead.
Purplebrick333 wrote:
I know this is just an insignificant wiki on the vast place that is the Internet, but this legitimately both saddens me and pisses me off.
HyperFlash Studios wrote:
I mean, at this point, I'd honestly support the removal of all this democracy and allow the wiki's staff to do their jobs. The community doesn't have as much say as they think and they probably never will. If the community wants something they can either just do it or ask the admins if it's something relatively restricted.
Yesyesyes let's do this please.
I mean, at this point, I'd honestly support the removal of all this democracy and allow the wiki's staff to do their jobs. The community doesn't have as much say as they think and they probably never will. If the community wants something they can either just do it or ask the admins if it's something relatively restricted.
Seriously, democracy would only work if we were all good little users. I am, and some others are, but definitely not all of us are.
Honestly at the rate we're going we'll turn into an anarchy.
We're willing to trade personal and political freedoms for absolute oligarchy just because votes are annoying and it takes too long sometimes. I don't know about you, but I'd take inconvenience and annoyance over how it was back in 2012 and 2013 any day. In fact, 2016 has been a good year for the LMBW, and that's BECAUSE we've had so many votes. People are going in the direction they want to go. Sometimes we have to forget what /we/ want and just enjoy the fact we can vote for what we want.
Also, anarchy is NOT the direction we're going. Our freedoms to lead the wiki are being stripped from us one by one because of people like you. If unblocking a few words is anarchy to you, I think you're in for a surprise. At this rate it would take us another protest against the admins and then another 10 years (At LEAST, mind you) to turn into an anarchy. But of course it will never happen, because NOBODY here supports an anarchy. There's just people who want to go back to the era in which non-admins had NO power at all.
But of course, NEITHER of you remember that, as it was 3 to 4 years ago, so basically you guys are those edgy 12 year olds who fly Soviet flags and wear some Soviet uniform that Kep would have thrown into the trash.
That's all I'm gonna say.
As pretty as you are you aren't versed in politics yet.
https://38.media.tumblr.com/13adc340674fcac3aff0632d3aff391d/tumblr_nvm6pgnHPs1r3o95ao1_540.gif
What do you mean I shouldn't advocate it? I respect their decisions, and I think we all should.
You can stop talking about my cuteness now. And this ain't exactly what I'd call politics. It's stating GENERALLY how I feel, with perhaps a little exaggeration, such as in the last paragraph of my original post.
PB. The last part was a Rebels reference.
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Keplers wrote:
PB. The last part was a Rebels reference.
Purplebrick333 wrote:
Keplers wrote:
Then don't advocate it. Advocate a system that befits the reality, not the ideal. That's where people start advocating insane things like ancap or Marxism and expecting the world to work smoothly.
What do you mean I shouldn't advocate it? I respect their decisions, and I think we all should.
Purplebrick333 wrote:
Keplers wrote:
Then why is there so much controversy surrounding their bans/blocks and other decisions?
I said SHOULD. Doesn't mean we DO.Purplebrick333 wrote:
Brick425 wrote:
We voted for a good deal of our Admins to have their rights. We should be willing to follow their lead.
Purplebrick333 wrote:
I know this is just an insignificant wiki on the vast place that is the Internet, but this legitimately both saddens me and pisses me off.
HyperFlash Studios wrote:
I mean, at this point, I'd honestly support the removal of all this democracy and allow the wiki's staff to do their jobs. The community doesn't have as much say as they think and they probably never will. If the community wants something they can either just do it or ask the admins if it's something relatively restricted.
Yesyesyes let's do this please.
I mean, at this point, I'd honestly support the removal of all this democracy and allow the wiki's staff to do their jobs. The community doesn't have as much say as they think and they probably never will. If the community wants something they can either just do it or ask the admins if it's something relatively restricted.
Seriously, democracy would only work if we were all good little users. I am, and some others are, but definitely not all of us are.
Honestly at the rate we're going we'll turn into an anarchy.
We're willing to trade personal and political freedoms for absolute oligarchy just because votes are annoying and it takes too long sometimes. I don't know about you, but I'd take inconvenience and annoyance over how it was back in 2012 and 2013 any day. In fact, 2016 has been a good year for the LMBW, and that's BECAUSE we've had so many votes. People are going in the direction they want to go. Sometimes we have to forget what /we/ want and just enjoy the fact we can vote for what we want.
Also, anarchy is NOT the direction we're going. Our freedoms to lead the wiki are being stripped from us one by one because of people like you. If unblocking a few words is anarchy to you, I think you're in for a surprise. At this rate it would take us another protest against the admins and then another 10 years (At LEAST, mind you) to turn into an anarchy. But of course it will never happen, because NOBODY here supports an anarchy. There's just people who want to go back to the era in which non-admins had NO power at all.
But of course, NEITHER of you remember that, as it was 3 to 4 years ago, so basically you guys are those edgy 12 year olds who fly Soviet flags and wear some Soviet uniform that Kep would have thrown into the trash.
That's all I'm gonna say.
As pretty as you are you aren't versed in politics yet.
https://38.media.tumblr.com/13adc340674fcac3aff0632d3aff391d/tumblr_nvm6pgnHPs1r3o95ao1_540.gif
You can stop talking about my cuteness now. And this ain't exactly what I'd call politics. It's stating GENERALLY how I feel, with perhaps a little exaggeration, such as in the last paragraph of my original post.
How was I supposed to know that?
That explains the gif.
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HyperFlash Studios wrote:
KnightoftheLight wrote: I think the "limiting" is fine as it is already.
What limiting? There is none.
Didn't we vote to not allow joke CVs?
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KnightoftheLight wrote:
What limiting? There is none.
Didn't we vote to not allow joke CVs?
HyperFlash Studios wrote:
KnightoftheLight wrote: I think the "limiting" is fine as it is already.
That isn't much limiting if you ask me. That's pretty specific.
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KnightoftheLight wrote:
HyperFlash Studios wrote:
KnightoftheLight wrote: I think the "limiting" is fine as it is already.
What limiting? There is none.
Didn't we vote to not allow joke CVs?
That's not limiting, that's getting rid of needless clutter
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TBH, I think this wiki needs democracy.
While it's not going the way we /all/ want it to go, it would still be nice to have some freedom of choice.
If we get rid of our democracy, the LMBWans will have no say in what goes on here. (Aside from simply asking Admins. But seriously, they're not going to do everything we want.)
Also, am I the only one that finds it funny that a bunch of users on a tiny corner of the internet are fighting about the politics of a wiki like it's going to have a serious impact on the world? 
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Kingwja wrote:
TBH, I think this wiki needs democracy.</noscript>
TBH, I think this wiki needs democracy.
While it's not going the way we /all/ want it to go, it would still be nice to have some freedom of choice.
If we get rid of our democracy, the LMBWans will have no say in what goes on here. (Aside from simply asking Admins. But seriously, they're not going to do everything we want.)
Also, am I the only one that finds it funny that a bunch of users on a tiny corner of the internet are fighting about the politics of a wiki like it's going to have a serious impact on the world?
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I also want to clarify here:
While I do believe this wiki needs democracy, the number of rediculous CVs has become quite ludicrous.
In my previous post, I was responding to certain ideas that have come forth about giving the admins complete control over everything on the wiki.
For my previous reasons about the number of CVs that we don't need, I am going to vote A on the vote for making CVs only for policy changes.
Say what you will, I am just stating my opinions.
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Kingwja wrote:
TBH, I think this wiki needs democracy.</noscript>
TBH, I think this wiki needs democracy.
While it's not going the way we /all/ want it to go, it would still be nice to have some freedom of choice.
If we get rid of our democracy, the LMBWans will have no say in what goes on here. (Aside from simply asking Admins. But seriously, they're not going to do everything we want.)
Also, am I the only one that finds it funny that a bunch of users on a tiny corner of the internet are fighting about the politics of a wiki like it's going to have a serious impact on the world?
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Nobody's saying that. Still, read my blog titled "On The Relationship Between Subject Matter and Significance". Seriously, we need to wipe out this belief that nothing here matters.
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Brick425 wrote:
Kingwja wrote:
TBH, I think this wiki needs democracy.</noscript>
Nobody's saying that. Still, read my blog titled "On The Relationship Between Subject Matter and Significance". Seriously, we need to wipe out this belief that nothing here matters.
TBH, I think this wiki needs democracy.
While it's not going the way we /all/ want it to go, it would still be nice to have some freedom of choice.
If we get rid of our democracy, the LMBWans will have no say in what goes on here. (Aside from simply asking Admins. But seriously, they're not going to do everything we want.)
Also, am I the only one that finds it funny that a bunch of users on a tiny corner of the internet are fighting about the politics of a wiki like it's going to have a serious impact on the world?
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If you read the last paragraph more closely, you'll notice he said nothing of the sort.
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Michaelyoda wrote:
Brick425 wrote:
Kingwja wrote:
TBH, I think this wiki needs democracy.</noscript>
Nobody's saying that. Still, read my blog titled "On The Relationship Between Subject Matter and Significance". Seriously, we need to wipe out this belief that nothing here matters.
TBH, I think this wiki needs democracy.
While it's not going the way we /all/ want it to go, it would still be nice to have some freedom of choice.
If we get rid of our democracy, the LMBWans will have no say in what goes on here. (Aside from simply asking Admins. But seriously, they're not going to do everything we want.)
Also, am I the only one that finds it funny that a bunch of users on a tiny corner of the internet are fighting about the politics of a wiki like it's going to have a serious impact on the world?
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If you read the last paragraph more closely, you'll notice he said nothing of the sort.
His last paragraph is directly relevant to the blog Brick mentioned.
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