When editing wikia articles, should we...
a) put all users at rank 29
b) put all users at the ranks they were before the alien rankup
c) put all users at the ranks they were at before the post req was lowered
d) put all users at the ranks they were at before the minutes req was lowerd
I vote d.
a votes: 3
b votes: 9
c votes: 2
d votes: 6
Put all users at the ranks they were before the Alien rankup.
I feel like this would be better as a community discussion rather than a vote... I think it makes most sense the way Alemas layed it out in his blog. Go read it (User_blog:Alemas2005/The_End-of-MBs_Editing_Drive_(FAIL,_THANKS_MODS)). Put "last known rank" before the "Alien invasion" but we also need to list Alien for everyone as well. It's part of the history and who are we to mess with facts?
We're recording the ranks they had, whether legitimately earned or not. Should we downgrade Benboy et al. for cheating because they didn't accomplish it?
Seriously. You didn't climb a mountain. It's a tab on a forum on a website about a plastic brick for children.
If they cheated, yes.
This has nothing to do with such a monumental achievement as climbing a mountain, nor did I ever say it did. Stop putting words in my mouth.
TheShadowAssassin wrote:
We're recording the ranks they had, whether legitimately earned or not. Should we downgrade Benboy et al. for cheating because they didn't accomplish it?
Seriously. You didn't climb a mountain. It's a tab on a forum on a website about a plastic brick for children.
If they cheated, yes.
This has nothing to do with such a monumental achievement as climbing a mountain, nor did I ever say it did. Stop putting words in my mouth.
The crux of your argument is for recording "achievement" as if that's a big deal. I think what BCGirl said sums it up — we are here to record facts, not twist them because we dislike them. The rank tab says "Alien" and they are Alien. That's why Benboy et al. still have their ridiculous ranks despite it being a publicly-known fact that they cheated.
The crux of your argument is for recording "achievement" as if that's a big deal. I think what BCGirl said sums it up — we are here to record facts, not twist them because we dislike them. The rank tab says "Alien" and they are Alien. That's why Benboy et al. still have their ridiculous ranks despite it being a publicly-known fact that they cheated.
Yes, but the ranks existed to reflect the accomplishments of the user depending on what they accomplished with their time on the MBs. For example, in this case, the Alien rank is a not an accurate reflection of someone who only accomplished being on the boards for 3 weeks, posting several hundred times, and receiving a few thousand likes. It is an accurate reflection of someone who accomplished being on the boards for several years, posting tens of thousands of times, and receiving hundreds of thousands of likes, and they should be attributed with the rank. If we simply leave everyone at "Alien", it completely defeats the purpose of having a rank in the first place, and will no longer have any relevance to the history of a user.
And for the record, I do not condone cheating in any form, and believe that fair action should be taken to rectify the issue with Benboy's rank and the ranks of others who cheated. But that's an entire other topic to discuss, because we're not talking about cheaters; we're talking about people who actually achieved their rank.
TheShadowAssassin wrote:
The crux of your argument is for recording "achievement" as if that's a big deal. I think what BCGirl said sums it up — we are here to record facts, not twist them because we dislike them. The rank tab says "Alien" and they are Alien. That's why Benboy et al. still have their ridiculous ranks despite it being a publicly-known fact that they cheated.
Yes, but the ranks existed to reflect the accomplishments of the user depending on what they accomplished with their time on the MBs. For example, in this case, the Alien rank is a not an accurate reflection of someone who only accomplished being on the boards for 3 weeks, posting several hundred times, and receiving a few thousand likes. It is an accurate reflection of someone who accomplished being on the boards for several years, posting tens of thousands of times, and receiving hundreds of thousands of likes, and they should be attributed with the rank. If we simply leave everyone at "Alien", it completely defeats the purpose of having a rank in the first place, and will no longer have any relevance to the history of a user.
And for the record, I do not condone cheating in any form, and believe that fair action should be taken to rectify the issue with Benboy's rank and the ranks of others who cheated. But that's an entire other topic to discuss, because we're not talking about cheaters; we're talking about people who actually achieved their rank.
Again, though: at the time of the MBs' closure, they held the rank. Nobody could feasibly hold the rank given most estimates; it would require as much time of activity as the MBs had existed, hundreds of thousands of posts, etc. We cannot simply ignore that the rank was given to all users because we dislike it on principle. I still support the idea of including the fact that the user held a different rank previously.
Can someone clarify the difference between B, C, and D? Because I know one of the rank changes was in Janurary and another was on the 23rd of Feburary.
I have the same question. 
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A, but include their last known rank
TheShadowAssassin wrote:
The crux of your argument is for recording "achievement" as if that's a big deal. I think what BCGirl said sums it up — we are here to record facts, not twist them because we dislike them. The rank tab says "Alien" and they are Alien. That's why Benboy et al. still have their ridiculous ranks despite it being a publicly-known fact that they cheated.
Yes, but the ranks existed to reflect the accomplishments of the user depending on what they accomplished with their time on the MBs. For example, in this case, the Alien rank is a not an accurate reflection of someone who only accomplished being on the boards for 3 weeks, posting several hundred times, and receiving a few thousand likes. It is an accurate reflection of someone who accomplished being on the boards for several years, posting tens of thousands of times, and receiving hundreds of thousands of likes, and they should be attributed with the rank. If we simply leave everyone at "Alien", it completely defeats the purpose of having a rank in the first place, and will no longer have any relevance to the history of a user.
And for the record, I do not condone cheating in any form, and believe that fair action should be taken to rectify the issue with Benboy's rank and the ranks of others who cheated. But that's an entire other topic to discuss, because we're not talking about cheaters; we're talking about people who actually achieved their rank.
Considering that I only cheated to even the field with users who had 600,000+ extra minutes because of glitches, you're going to have a big problem with truly figuring out who actually earned what.
