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  • Marcel77799
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    Discussing is over, only pointless comments
    15:15, March 10, 2015

    Hi. I'm contacting you because you're a moderator here and on chat. I've permanenty blocked chat from my browser simply because I'm tired of the idiocity on chat and being attacked constantly. I know some of the fault is mine, but the moderators tend to side with those against me, so it's not really fair to me when I'm on.

    Another thing, I hope that you and the other moderators will take into consideration the newer and younger users that join chat. I'm 18, and most of the things which are discussed in chat offend me. Think about what it would do to a 13, 14, or 15 year old. They are already exposed to enough stuff IRL, they don't need it dumped on them in chat. Wizemanll comments to me often on things which he sees in chat that he finds sickening and offensive, and he is one of the newer and younger users. Then you have Johnyjo, who came to chat once and hasn't been back again, or so it seems to me. I know that most of the users on chat are older and have no problem with any of this, however, this is the Lego Message Boards Wiki, and people from the Lego Message Boards are the ones most likely to appear here. Please take their age and beliefs into consideration.

    I know I am not liked here, but at least consider what I've said, recognize some of the problems, and try to do something about them. I would stay if chat was fun, but I've lost interest in it. I hope that chat will be a better place for those who join later.

    =l

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    • It's not the mod's fault for having an opinion. Also, keep in mind this is the internet. I'm sure that there are plenty of other sites with a topic as innocent as the MBs that allow much, much worse

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    • Mishkaiel wrote:
      Hi. I'm contacting you because you're a moderator here and on chat. I've permanenty blocked chat from my browser simply because I'm tired of the idiocity on chat and being attacked constantly. I know some of the fault is mine, but the moderators tend to side with those against me, so it's not really fair to me when I'm on.

      Another thing, I hope that you and the other moderators will take into consideration the newer and younger users that join chat. I'm 18, and most of the things which are discussed in chat offend me. Think about what it would do to a 13, 14, or 15 year old. They are already exposed to enough stuff IRL, they don't need it dumped on them in chat. Wizemanll comments to me often on things which he sees in chat that he finds sickening and offensive, and he is one of the newer and younger users. Then you have Johnyjo, who came to chat once and hasn't been back again, or so it seems to me. I know that most of the users on chat are older and have no problem with any of this, however, this is the Lego Message Boards Wiki, and people from the Lego Message Boards are the ones most likely to appear here. Please take their age and beliefs into consideration.

      I know I am not liked here, but at least consider what I've said, recognize some of the problems, and try to do something about them. I would stay if chat was fun, but I've lost interest in it. I hope that chat will be a better place for those who join later.

      =l

      What exactly do you mean by "sickening and offensive"? We don't allow innuendo or extremely dark humor here.

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    • I agree with Mish as far as the newer user's being drawn away from chat. I can count a few that left chat for good after some inappropriate things, or just offensive things were said. It seems as if the majority of chat people forget some of the Message Boardians will join chat as well. And most of them are 13 - 15 years old. IDK. Something to dwell on.

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    • (Yes, this comment has religious commentary in it. But if you ever want Mish to stop complaining, you would be wise to keep this up.)

      I don't support outright censorship on most levels, but I agree with most of what you're saying. I'm Christian too, and I support you every step of the way, brother.

      The problem is, right now, the community as a whole is rather desensitized to right and wrong, or at least to a certain extent. A lot of what you find offensive is stuff that they discuss everywhere else in their lives. Their water cooler conversations are not the same as what you and I might have in our lives. Cutting back on the sexual comments about "passionately" kissing everyone and taking the Lord's name in vain(By the way, the original third commandment is actually to not CARRY the Lord's name in vain, but don't take it in vain either!)  might make chat "safe" for users like Wizemanll and Johnyjo, but it might actually hinder outreach to people whose only contact with the Gospel is us.

      God does not call us to conform to the world, of course, and we need to be cautious in our thoughts and deeds. But Jesus spent his time not with the religious Pharisees, but with the Tax Collectors(People who betrayed their nations to help the Romans tax everyone), Prostitutes, and the needy(Being needy is NOT a sin of course.). Jesus did not come to save the righteous, but to save the people who were sinners with no hope.

      And spreading the good news is our very purpose God has given us in life.

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    • kissing isn't sexual lol

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    • Vonness11` wrote:
      kissing isn't sexual lol

      Not always, but it's the first-I'm not even going to go there.

      But we all know what's been happening in chat with you-know-who isn't quite for the better.

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    • Starrocks923 wrote:
      Vonness11` wrote:
      kissing isn't sexual lol
      Not always, but it's the first-I'm not even going to go there.

      But we all know what's been happening in chat with you-know-who isn't quite for the better.

      who?

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    • I understand and agree, (I am a Christian as well who shares most of your views), but the discussions, jokes and comments on main chat that you and some others find offensive or sickening are really impossible to entirely be taken care of and reduced. Please realize thie LMBW differs from the LMB's in that this is a public site that anyone of any age can edit, post on and chat on, while the LMB's is a haven for children to talk about LEGO under supervision of paid moderators. The CM's on here do their best to handle innuendo and different sorts of inappropriate talk, especially in the last few weeks, but not everything you find wrong is considered worthy of a warning by the mods, as not everyone holds views as strongly as yours. I've personally learned that if a convo on main chat bothers me, just go back to your PM's or simply leave, it's not that hard. Tongue Smiley-1

      Or just move to other chats as you are doing. 
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    • Mish, you should know that if you do find something to be offensive all you have to do is tell a moderator (as long as it's a reasonable enough request) and they will usually do something. However, what I tend to see with a lot of the newer users here like you is that when something offends you or you believe someone else to be doing something "wrong" then you simply fly off the handle and act (excuse me if I seem blunt) like a spoiled little toddler that isn't getting their way. I'm not saying that YOU in particular do that, it's just something I've noticed.

      This was always intended to be a place for people our age to socialize in a safe-enough environment, and we do TRY to keep it that way as well as we can, but we can't make everyone do everything we want. If you care enough about the people that are here you'll stay, and if you don't then don't bother to trouble yourself about it at all.

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    • Loney 97 wrote:
      Mish, you should know that if you do find something to be offensive all you have to do is tell a moderator (as long as it's a reasonable enough request) and they will usually do something. However, what I tend to see with a lot of the newer users here like you is that when something offends you or you believe someone else to be doing something "wrong" then you simply fly off the handle and act (excuse me if I seem blunt) like a spoiled little toddler that isn't getting their way. I'm not saying that YOU in particular do that, it's just something I've noticed.

      This was always intended to be a place for people our age to socialize in a safe-enough environment, and we do TRY to keep it that way as well as we can, but we can't make everyone do everything we want. If you care enough about the people that are here you'll stay, and if you don't then don't bother to trouble yourself about it at all.

      Per Loney.

      «†J•cI•u•cI•e•420†» (Wall) -Retired Bureaucrat

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    • First of all I agree with Loney on this issue. The second thing is that Im not quite sure why you actually contacted me. I mean Im a mod and Im aware that there are some problems on chat but I havent been very active recently and cant really comment on these more recent problems. All in all its certainly very difficult to create an environment in that no one feels offended at all. The differences and the opinions of all the users are very different. I know that there have been discussions which might have offended several people but most of the time no one directly asks a mod to stop it. Myself as a person who doesnt get offended very quickly is probably not the best at figuring out when someone feels offended and when not.

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    • I'm going to try to respond to everybody in one post. =P and please keep in mind that I'm not critisizing or trying to insult anyone. I left simply because I can't make a statement without being attacked. If you'll look at all of the debates I've been in, you'll see that all or most of them were me defending my beliefs and views; I have never tried to attack anybody's belief. 

      @Slice: True, I'm aware of that, however, since this represents a site that is supposedly kid-friendly, users here should set an example. 

      @Von: sickening and offensive? A couple of examples include conversations about gays and drugs, do you want a new user to come in and see you talking about such things and become curious, get addicted to it, and have his life ruined? I'm exaggerating a bit, but I've known kids who are now drug addicts because they saw a conversation about it on Facebook. And I agree, kissing isn't all that sexual, but as Star said, it can lead to more expicite actions.

      @Star: I agree with you 100%. However, I am not called to reach those who are lost, my calling in life is to reach out to those who already have a sense of religion and need spiritual awakening. I may have some influence on unsaved people, but I won't have as much influence like somebody like you. I applaud what you and others are doing by staying on chat and consistently being a good witness for our Lord and Savior. Keep doing the good work.

      @Luke: Yes, I know how much the CMs are doing, and I appreciate them very much; however, there is a lot of stuff that is still somewhat tolerated, and when I was attacked, I don't recall any mod coming in and telling the others to back off. More than once, the mods took the other side. I don't want that to happen to any new users in the future. As to "views as strong as mine," I am a dedicated believer in the Word of God, and I believe every word that is written in it. Of course my belief in it is strong, why shouldn't it be? If one beliefs in something, one will defend it.

      @Loney: Like I told Luke, I appreciate what the mods are doing and I commend them, but the mods aren't always there. And about flying off the handle, I have probably done that, but I remain calm throughout the debate. Ask Romian, he knows me IRL, I am very hard to make angry. And I agree that this place can't be made the perfect environment, and I do care about the people here, but I'm tired of being questioned and attacked every time I say something like, "the sky is blue." (slight exageration=P) I will leave chat until things have calmed down. 

      @Marc: I contacted you because you were one of the only mods on chat when I looked at the thing on the side of the page. =P My message really was directed torwards everybody. And I know that the users have many different views, but that doens't mean we should attack one another willy-nilly. And you're again right, people should get more into the habbit of contacted a mod when they're offended. =P And it should be a reasonable offense, not something silly. =P

      @everybody: I am leaving chat for my own sake, to recover from what I experienced in chat. Even though it might have been fun or laughable to you, I took issues seriously, and I am slightly physically sick now because of it. (headaches, nausea, etc.) Also, my grades in college have declined due to time spent researching things that was discussed during debates in chat. 

      I encourage you again to remember those newer members who might join, there is a great likelyhood that many people from the LMBs will show up here. It is a massive site, and most of the kids there are younger than 15. Yes I am leaving chat for personal reasons, but I am concerned about others that are on chat or will be joining chat.

      Goodbye for now, and know that I hold no grudges nor ill will agianst any of you. I will return to chat eventually, maybe when I figure out how to unblock it from my browser. =P If you want to ask me something, then leave me a message on my wall.

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    • Loney and Marcel have already said most of what needs to be said. I'm very sorry to hear that you've been offended by chat discussions. If you ever do return to chat, feel free to contact mods or admins in chat to deal with the issue!

      However, I would like to point out something. Your comment about "gays" is itself extremely offensive (to me and probably many others). Are you seriously lumping all gay individuals (and by extension probably the rest of the LGBT community) into the category of "sickening and offensive" topics along with drugs? That's actually really hurtful, so if you want to encourage people to be respectful towards others, please be respectful to us. :)

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    • Mishkaiel wrote:
      Hi. I'm contacting you because you're a moderator here and on chat. I've permanenty blocked chat from my browser simply because I'm tired of the idiocity on chat and being attacked constantly. I know some of the fault is mine, but the moderators tend to side with those against me, so it's not really fair to me when I'm on.

      Another thing, I hope that you and the other moderators will take into consideration the newer and younger users that join chat. I'm 18, and most of the things which are discussed in chat offend me. Think about what it would do to a 13, 14, or 15 year old. They are already exposed to enough stuff IRL, they don't need it dumped on them in chat. Wizemanll comments to me often on things which he sees in chat that he finds sickening and offensive, and he is one of the newer and younger users. Then you have Johnyjo, who came to chat once and hasn't been back again, or so it seems to me. I know that most of the users on chat are older and have no problem with any of this, however, this is the Lego Message Boards Wiki, and people from the Lego Message Boards are the ones most likely to appear here. Please take their age and beliefs into consideration.

      I know I am not liked here, but at least consider what I've said, recognize some of the problems, and try to do something about them. I would stay if chat was fun, but I've lost interest in it. I hope that chat will be a better place for those who join later.

      =l

      What would you suggest doing to fix all that? And wait why is this on Marcel's wall...

      Also Mishie, I kinda need to talk to you about a lighter, happier matter Tongue Smiley-1

      . Where can I contact you?
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    • Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:
      Loney and Marcel have already said most of what needs to be said. I'm very sorry to hear that you've been offended by chat discussions. If you ever do return to chat, feel free to contact mods or admins in chat to deal with the issue!

      However, I would like to point out something. Your comment about "gays" is itself extremely offensive (to me and probably many others). Are you seriously lumping all gay individuals (and by extension probably the rest of the LGBT community) into the category of "sickening and offensive" topics along with drugs? That's actually really hurtful, so if you want to encourage people to be respectful towards others, please be respectful to us. :)

      I have to agree with Obi on this. We should definitely be tolerant when it comes to that topic. Everyone should be able to live his or her life the way he or she wants to.

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    • @Goggs: I posted it here because I looked at who was on chat at the time, and he was the only mod on chat so I posted it here. However, I intended it to be to be directed towards the general group that is usually on chat, so I apologize for not clarifying that. And I'll be available on the Christian Lego Wiki. =)

      @Marc and Obi. I have no problem talking to and being friends with the LGBT community. I have a cousin who is a lesbian, and I love her for who she is, and I have another cousin who is addicted to porn, and I have a lot of fun with him, however I can't agree with WHAT they do. If I haven't made it clear before, it's not the person that offends me, it's the actions that they participate in that offends me. The Bible does not give any evidence that God creates people gay. But please understand that I don't hate you nor any of the LGBT community, I have great love towards them, the Bible commands Christians to love all people even, which means if I sorta have to! =P But again, there's the principle of "Love the sinner, and hate the sin." And Marc, I agree, people should be allowed to live their lives as they see fit. However, Christians are to be controlled by the Holy Spirit. Once a person becomes a believer, they are a new creature in Christ, and should put all things behind them for the things which God has for them. As people grow in the Lord, by reading the Word of God and praying, they become more attuned to what God wants them to do.

      I know that this conversation is getting religious, but as a committed believer, I can't help but bring God and the Bible into the picture. And I can't say this enough, I have absolutely no hard feelings towards anyone on chat due to beliefs or actions. I am leaving simply to recover from being constantly under scrutiny and questioning because of being a believer. I will gladly converse and have fun chatting with ya'll when I feel like returning. 

      =l

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    • Mish - My point wasn't actually about your beliefs, the point was that you essentially called LGBT individuals "sickening and offensive," and that I find that offensive, and other users probably do as well. As long as you're respectful and kind there shouldn't be an issue. :)

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    • Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:
      Mish - My point wasn't actually about your beliefs, the point was that you essentially called LGBT individuals "sickening and offensive," and that I find that offensive, and other users probably do as well. As long as you're respectful and kind there shouldn't be an issue. :)

      Lol, you misinterpreted what I said. Perhaps I should have said it clearer. I find their actions sickening, how could I not? The Bible is clearly opposed to the actions of those people. However, I DO NOT say that to the individuals. I have some very good friends from that group. And I hope that I don't come across as disrespectful in chat, I try not to be. And let me say again, I am not calling the individuals sickening and offensive. If there is anything confusing about what I said, please make a post on my wall about it or ignore it.

      Also, please let's not get into another debate, because all I wanted was to post that I was leaving, and why I was leaving. Please respect my decision and just leave me be. 

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    • Mishkaiel wrote:

      Obi the LEGO Fan wrote:
      Mish - My point wasn't actually about your beliefs, the point was that you essentially called LGBT individuals "sickening and offensive," and that I find that offensive, and other users probably do as well. As long as you're respectful and kind there shouldn't be an issue. :)

      Lol, you misinterpreted what I said. Perhaps I should have said it clearer. I find their actions sickening, how could I not? The Bible is clearly opposed to the actions of those people. However, I DO NOT say that to the individuals. I have some very good friends from that group. And I hope that I don't come across as disrespectful in chat, I try not to be. And let me say again, I am not calling the individuals sickening and offensive. If there is anything confusing about what I said, please make a post on my wall about it or ignore it.

      Also, please let's not get into another debate, because all I wanted was to post that I was leaving, and why I was leaving. Please respect my decision and just leave me be. 

      I'm glad that's not what you meant. I was referring to this comment specifically:

      sickening and offensive? A couple of examples include conversations about gays and drugs

      Also keep in mind that not all LGBT individuals engage in the actions that you are referring to. And yes, I'm not going to debate you here.

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    • I keep telling you people, being homosexual is gay!

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    • Nehpets7000 wrote:
      I keep telling you people, being homosexual is gay!

      looool that statement went perfectly with your profile pic xD

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    • Nehpets7000 wrote:
      I keep telling you people, being homosexual is gay!

      is this really necessary

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    • Slicer Vorzakh wrote:
      Nehpets7000 wrote:
      I keep telling you people, being homosexual is gay!
      is this really necessary

      ^ Tongue Smiley-1


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    • Vonness11` wrote:
      Slicer Vorzakh wrote:
      Nehpets7000 wrote:
      I keep telling you people, being homosexual is gay!
      is this really necessary
      ^ Tongue Smiley-1

      Neh: overusing jokes since Alemas discovered gifs.

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    • Riolu777 wrote:
      Vonness11` wrote:
      Slicer Vorzakh wrote:
      Nehpets7000 wrote:
      I keep telling you people, being homosexual is gay!
      is this really necessary
      ^ Tongue Smiley-1
      Neh: overusing jokes since Alemas discovered gifs.


      lol, so true

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    • Jdude420 wrote:
      Riolu777 wrote:
      Vonness11` wrote:
      Slicer Vorzakh wrote:
      Nehpets7000 wrote:
      I keep telling you people, being homosexual is gay!
      is this really necessary
      ^ Tongue Smiley-1
      Neh: overusing jokes since Alemas discovered gifs.

      lol, so true

      ur mum

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